Not my teaware.....but I wish it were....

[William]

shrinking pots anyone?

Pretty pot!

What causes this effect?

[Tead Off]

Can you show an example?

joint.jpg

I see, but can you show any with join showing near handle or spout on early pots?

[kyarazen]

What causes this effect?

the theoretical shrinking of "zhu-ni" since it does shrink quite significantly during firing...

[William]

What causes this effect?

the theoretical shrinking of "zhu-ni" since it does shrink quite significantly during firing...

Thanks. Neves seen this. Is that a CR high-walled shui ping?

[chrl42]

What causes this effect?

the theoretical shrinking of "zhu-ni" since it does shrink quite significantly during firing...

None-Zhuni has this also, on hand-made or imitated hand-made. Hand-made pots just has more wrinkles.

[chrl42]

Can you show an example?

joint.jpg

I see, but can you show any with join showing near handle or spout on early pots?

I doubt that has, that's joint line from moulds, those lines are often found on Factory-1 pots.

[kyarazen]

What causes this effect?

the theoretical shrinking of "zhu-ni" since it does shrink quite significantly during firing...

None-Zhuni has this also, on hand-made or imitated hand-made. Hand-made pots just has more wrinkles.

because the maker is just as wrinkly?

[chrl42]

The molds I've seen are flat and each end is open. When they shape the body, they have to join the two ends of the clay in a seam. This is the same process whether they are half or full handmade. Are you thinking of slip mold-made pots?

"Half-handmade is the assembly of machine-moulded pieces by hand with traditional tools. Many good teapots using Zisha clay are made in this way." This quote is from The Chinese Tea Shop.

How do you interpret this? If the parts are joined by traditional tools, they are the same whether 100% handmade or half-handmade. Both have to finish the teapot and smooth the lines where the joints are. I would think a lot of the joint marks are revealed after the firing is done. Maybe one of our potters could step in here and shed more light on this.

I've also tried to find an example of a mold used by Yixing potters but I cannot.

Cheap pots are all half hand-made. There are some half hand-made pots made of good clay (like Factory-1) doesn't mean the pots are sought-after or of high-quality.

On the market, over 90% of Yixings are half hand-made and less 10% are hand-made. Some masters who are not skilled also make half hand-made pots as well. It takes days to weeks to make good a hand-made pot. But you can make +10 half hand-made pots a day.

Slip-cast pots are not called Yixing teapot. You said, you've seen many hand-made pots without joint lines, how are convinced to say they are 'hand-made' without knowing the basic differences of marks between 2?

[chrl42]

Are there join lines in ROC and Qing/Ming pots?

From what I know, it's about 100%.

[kyarazen]

Can you show an example?

joint.jpg

I see, but can you show any with join showing near handle or spout on early pots?

hand-made or imitated handmade has this also. Hand-made pots just more obvious.

[kyarazen]

Cheap pots are all half hand-made. There are some half hand-made pots made of good clay (like Factory-1) doesn't mean the pots are sought-after or of high-quality.

any access to cheap, half-hand made, non sought after, not very high quality, but good clay factory 1 pots! possible to supply tea chatters so that they wont have to pay too much?

[chrl42]

What causes this effect?

the theoretical shrinking of "zhu-ni" since it does shrink quite significantly during firing...

Thanks. Neves seen this. Is that a CR high-walled shui ping?

CR doesn't have Zhuni. 5~60s SPs have wrinkles though, those were very early stage of using moulds, so the ratio of hand-making was higher compared to now. 5~60s SPs also have joint lines, but not as clear as fully hand-made pots of Qing/ROC.

[Tead Off]

Can you show an example?

joint.jpg

I see, but can you show any with join showing near handle or spout on early pots?

I doubt that has, that's joint line from moulds, those lines are often found on Factory-1 pots.

Now, I'm a bit confused. You said earlier that half-handmade don't show join lines. Why is it different for Factory 1 pots that use molds?

[chrl42]

Cheap pots are all half hand-made. There are some half hand-made pots made of good clay (like Factory-1) doesn't mean the pots are sought-after or of high-quality.

any access to cheap, half-hand made, non sought after, not very high quality, but good clay factory 1 pots! possible to supply tea chatters so that they wont have to pay too much?

Factory-1 Zaoqi (5~80s) period's pots are pretty few. But the prices aren't tricky as current Yixing teapots. Current Yixing dealers might fool customers. But Factory-1 or master-kind pots dealers usually very experienced and reputable...usually treat guests with manner or indifference

[chrl42]

Can you show an example?

joint.jpg

I see, but can you show any with join showing near handle or spout on early pots?

I doubt that has, that's joint line from moulds, those lines are often found on Factory-1 pots.

Now, I'm a bit confused. You said earlier that half-handmade don't show join lines. Why is it different for Factory 1 pots that use molds?

In fact, both. Just lines on half hand-made are not as clear as full hand-made pots.

Factory-1 for example, the earlier the period it is, the clear the lines are shown.