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Re: Not my teaware.....but I wish it were....

by bankung » Mar 22nd, '14, 14:11

I would say it is not entirely handmade. The one piece interior lid work like this is very hard for any yixing potters to make, and so its normally half handmade. Therefore, it doesn't get along with the subpar craftsmanship of the pot. Without looking any further, I am more than 90% sure its not fully handmade. For the age of the teapot, its not a very good idea to trust what inscribed on the lid. Anyone can did that on purpose.

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Re: Not my teaware.....but I wish it were....

by 茶藝-TeaArt08 » Mar 22nd, '14, 16:14

achyle wrote:
Tead Off wrote:Where is the 1952 claim?
on the lid skirt
Yes, on the lid skirt (一九五二年) =(1952).
For the age of the teapot, its not a very good idea to trust what inscribed on the lid. Anyone can did that on purpose.
Agreed!

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Re: Not my teaware.....but I wish it were....

by Chip » Mar 22nd, '14, 22:13

Devoted135 wrote:This has turned into a very helpful and informative discussion that is not really at home in this particular thread.

Chip, I'd like to request that the various yixing discussions that started with devilducklings' request for help back on page 14 (March 18th) be split into its own topic. Thanks for considering it!
Been thinking the same thing ... :mrgreen:

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Re: Not my teaware.....but I wish it were....

by achyle » Mar 24th, '14, 11:02

茶藝-TeaArt08 wrote:
achyle wrote:
Tead Off wrote:Where is the 1952 claim?
on the lid skirt
Yes, on the lid skirt (一九五二年) =(1952).
For the age of the teapot, its not a very good idea to trust what inscribed on the lid. Anyone can did that on purpose.
Agreed!
Thank you for your inputs guys but I never said that I was trusting what's inscribed on the lid, that's why I said "claims to be from".
However, I'd like to investigate this pot a little further and if someone can provide details on what to look for in terms of Marks, hints on a pot that was fired in a wood kiln that would be very helpful I think for a lot of us.

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Re: Not my teaware.....but I wish it were....

by chrl42 » Mar 25th, '14, 03:54

Yixing potters very rarely inscribe western counting system (as in roman number or Chinese translation of it),

Most of the time they use 60-cycle system, which circulate in every 60 years (like Jiazi as in 1924, 1984, 2044 or Jaiwu as in 2014, 1954 etc)....


I think the value of the pots is more important than the date of the pots, if you like it, would it matter when it was made? :D

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Re: Not my teaware.....but I wish it were....

by Saladin » Mar 26th, '14, 14:28

Poached from Facebook this morning. I love this, and find it so inspiring.
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Re: Not my teaware.....but I wish it were....

by William » Mar 26th, '14, 14:54

:shock:

Beautiful photo!

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Not my teaware.....but I wish it were....

by debunix » Mar 26th, '14, 15:58

Pot, cup, bowl, vase, and plate envy, wow.

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Re: Not my teaware.....but I wish it were....

by achyle » Mar 26th, '14, 19:46

chrl42 wrote:Yixing potters very rarely inscribe western counting system (as in roman number or Chinese translation of it),

Most of the time they use 60-cycle system, which circulate in every 60 years (like Jiazi as in 1924, 1984, 2044 or Jaiwu as in 2014, 1954 etc)....


I think the value of the pots is more important than the date of the pots, if you like it, would it matter when it was made? :D
I'm 100% with you, I don't really care about the date but I do care to know a little more about my pots, it's like they want to talk to me but I'm lost in translation, even more than that; I don't speak their language yet and I'm sure you are one of a few in this forum who knows that learning Yixing Pottery is a long path. :wink:

Sorry guys to be off topic again.

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Re: Not my teaware.....but I wish it were....

by JBaymore » Mar 27th, '14, 13:41

Hamada Shinsaku-san is certainly still doing OK. Every time I've been there visiting he is still in the studio working. And yeah... the home and studio there is a great general environment. Great pots everywhere.

I hope when I am his age to still be working like that. Although it does help that he has Tomoo-san and the employees at the studio to help with the "heavy work".

best,

................john

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Re: Not my teaware.....but I wish it were....

by Saladin » Mar 28th, '14, 13:26

JBaymore wrote:Hamada Shinsaku-san is certainly still doing OK. Every time I've been there visiting he is still in the studio working. And yeah... the home and studio there is a great general environment. Great pots everywhere.

I hope when I am his age to still be working like that. Although it does help that he has Tomoo-san and the employees at the studio to help with the "heavy work".

best,

................john
That's great to hear John. I could use some help with heavy work myself! I also hope I can work as I get up there in years. Thing were certainly easier on the body when I was in my 20's.

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Re: Not my teaware.....but I wish it were....

by Saladin » Apr 12th, '14, 16:22

Time to smash open my piggy bank.. :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
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Re: Not my teaware.....but I wish it were....

by William » Apr 12th, '14, 16:57

Saladin wrote:Time to smash open my piggy bank.. :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:


https://www.shinwa-art.com/catalogue/pd ... 140419.pdf
That pdf is dangerous. :mrgreen:

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Re: Not my teaware.....but I wish it were....

by JBaymore » Apr 12th, '14, 17:43

Great catalogue.

Nice to see a bunch of nice pieces in there by a friend of mine..... Shimada Fumio-san. LOVE his porcelain.

And the Miura Koheiji pieces seem a bit lowballed on the prices. Had the pleasure of meeting him a few times when I was at Tokyo Geidai.

The Rosanjin plate at 185 is sweet.

Arrrggghhhhhh. I better go buy a lottery ticket. :lol:

best,

....................john

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Re: Not my teaware.....but I wish it were....

by Saladin » Apr 12th, '14, 19:28

JBaymore wrote:Great catalogue.

Nice to see a bunch of nice pieces in there by a friend of mine..... Shimada Fumio-san. LOVE his porcelain.

And the Miura Koheiji pieces seem a bit lowballed on the prices. Had the pleasure of meeting him a few times when I was at Tokyo Geidai.

The Rosanjin plate at 185 is sweet.

Arrrggghhhhhh. I better go buy a lottery ticket. :lol:

best,

....................john

It's a pretty extraordinary collection going for sale! Some of the prices do seem a bit low, especially the Rosanjin plates, while others are astronomical, like his over-glaze enameled bowl. Most of these pots seem museum-worthy. I also love those Miura Koheiji celadon pieces; gorgeous colors. What do you think of Tamura Koichi's works? Is he from Mashiko? I'd love those two Hamada vases!!

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