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Re: Is this a Chawan?

by Chip » Aug 17th, '09, 18:41

I am guessing you mean 3 7/8" wide?

I have a few Hagi that are about as high as wide, but once you go to more tall than wide, I get lost.

I am as stated far from an expert and will likely show my lack of knowledge here. But if it is taller, doesn't one tend to lose sight of the actual matcha in the bowl? And if sharing with others, seems less "clean."

Not to mention less space for the chasen to do its thing.

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Re: Is this a Chawan?

by shyrabbit » Aug 17th, '09, 18:50

Chip,
Yes, I meant 3-7/8" w.
Mind out of phase with the fingers.

I think all your points are good ones...?
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Re: Is this a Chawan?

by chamekke » Aug 17th, '09, 20:33

Could be a tsutsujawan.

I'd want to see the koudai, though...

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Re: Is this a Chawan?

by shyrabbit » Aug 17th, '09, 21:24

chamekke,

Good point...maybe a tsutsu jawan. This would address chips comment about whisking(?). Sorry i don't have an image of the foot-ring.

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Re: Is this a Chawan?

by bonjiri » Aug 17th, '09, 22:14

shyrabbit wrote:What do we think ...is this a chawan/tea bowl?
Approx. 4-1/2" h. x 3-7/8" w.

I will attribute a little later....might be a give away as to its described function.

Michael

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could be a nodate chawan

what u think michael ?

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Re: Is this a Chawan?

by chamekke » Aug 17th, '09, 22:39

Upon second thought, I think the proportions may not be quite right for a tsutsujawan ... unless it's an art piece. It verges on the too-tall-and-skinny side, so would probably be challenging to wipe with chakin in the usual way. It would make a cracking yunomi, though!

Here's a selection of tsutsujawan (cylindrical chawan) for comparison.

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Re: Is this a Chawan?

by Robert Fornell » Aug 17th, '09, 22:51

Nice piece by Raku Kichizaemon. Interesting reactions to the various pieces here as well......

Best,
R

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Re: Is this a Chawan?

by Victoria » Aug 17th, '09, 23:29

I'm thinking vase. :)

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Re: Is this a Chawan?

by Maitre_Tea » Aug 17th, '09, 23:34

I think it depends on what the interior looks like, and angle at which the wall meets the base.

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Re: Is this a Chawan?

by shyrabbit » Aug 18th, '09, 00:01

ronin ceramurai wrote:Nice piece by Raku Kichizaemon. Interesting reactions to the various pieces here as well......

Best,
R
Robert,

Thanks, yes this is a work by Raku Kichizaemon XV. I appreciate the "modern" direction of the long tradition of the Raku line. I understand that the design of this bowl, is intended to "deliver" the tea in a specific manner to "maximize its intent".

I'm personally attracted to this piece and the "push" of the tradition it represents.

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Re: Is this a Chawan?

by chamekke » Aug 18th, '09, 00:27

I am beginning to suspect that the answer to every example is: Yes. :wink:

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Re: Is this a Chawan?

by Tead Off » Aug 18th, '09, 07:45

shyrabbit wrote:
ronin ceramurai wrote:Nice piece by Raku Kichizaemon. Interesting reactions to the various pieces here as well......

Best,
R
Robert,

Thanks, yes this is a work by Raku Kichizaemon XV. I appreciate the "modern" direction of the long tradition of the Raku line. I understand that the design of this bowl, is intended to "deliver" the tea in a specific manner to "maximize its intent".

I'm personally attracted to this piece and the "push" of the tradition it represents.

Michael
Maybe you could elaborate a bit more on what you mean when you say, "deliver" the tea in a specific manner to "maximize its intent".

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Re: Is this a Chawan?

by bonjiri » Aug 18th, '09, 13:06

what do you think about this sculptural piece.

is this a chawan ?


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Re: Is this a Chawan?

by bonjiri » Aug 18th, '09, 13:07

Tead Off wrote:
shyrabbit wrote:
ronin ceramurai wrote:Nice piece by Raku Kichizaemon. Interesting reactions to the various pieces here as well......

Best,
R
Robert,

Thanks, yes this is a work by Raku Kichizaemon XV. I appreciate the "modern" direction of the long tradition of the Raku line. I understand that the design of this bowl, is intended to "deliver" the tea in a specific manner to "maximize its intent".

I'm personally attracted to this piece and the "push" of the tradition it represents.

Michael
Maybe you could elaborate a bit more on what you mean when you say, "deliver" the tea in a specific manner to "maximize its intent".
robert, are you talking about 'functionality' of the chawan ?

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Re: Is this a Chawan?

by Robert Fornell » Aug 18th, '09, 14:12

robert, are you talking about 'functionality' of the chawan ?
I don't know Cory as my only comment on this thread was
Nice piece by Raku Kichizaemon. Interesting reactions to the various pieces here as well......
A couple of quotes come to mind however:

"It's a matter of giving oneself permission" - William Morris, Cavin-Morris Gallery NY

"It took me 10 years to learn how to throw and 20 years to unlearn" - Hamada Shoji

The piece you submitted by Kakurezaki Ryuichi is another example of work by a group of potters in Japan who are trying to expand the vernacular of teaware in Japan. One could imagine that when Furuta Oribe brought one of the bright green, gaily pattered chawan into the chashitsu so many hundreds of years ago it raised more than a few eyebrows. But then again, maybe it didn't, as Sadou may not have been as codified at that time as it is now. I have heard that many of the tea masters in Kyoto refused to use Raku Kichizaemon's chawan for a number of years as it was thought to be not fitting of the tradition from which it came.

Cheers,
R
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