Which Chawan would you choose?

[Geekgirl]

#4, #2. I like the kuro raku and aka raku when they glaze everything including the foot. Personal preference.

[iannon]

iannon - in this case the pics are there - I checked. He numbers the bowls, there's a pic of each, and he indicates which ones are already sold (#'s 1 & 4 are sold/gone).
I have noticed that sometimes he just posts a note saying the one in the pic is probably not the one you'll get. But then other times, he posts pics of each, numbering them (as with the seigan cucumber guinomis and also with this chawan).
Nice attn to detail - thanks!
So sorry to hear you might have gotten disappointed with your kashun.

ah cool..oh no! i got pics of the actual before i ordered! i knew exactly what i was getting and it has surpassed my expectations actually!

[Seeker]

oh good - awesome!

[davidv7]

I second the Artistic Nippon route.
In the words of Sen no Rikyu The black is the beginning and ending of everything - black is a very Wabi Sabi aesthetic.
In my opinion the artisans on this forum make very good stuff but their chawans does not sing to me, often they are loud and don`t have the humility of articles from Japan.
I stumbled across this one http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 991wt_1166 on ebay.
Just my 2c.
David

[JBaymore]

I think what you see on Artistic Nippon is really the "same" thing!!! Looks like from the same Kiln, "same" pattern. Hmm...! Thanks for sharing.

Often the cheaper ceramic items (everywhere) are produced by techniques that allow fast reproduction like jiggering, and slipcasting, and pressure casting, and ram pressing, and the like. There are lots of these methods. These forming techniques can capture some of the qualities of handwork.... but involve less skills to produce. At the least, Japanese pottery shokunin (ceramic paid staff workers) can be very adept at reproducing form designs with skill and accuracy by hand.

I don't have time now to look at the items in question....... but if the forms look very much the "same"....... it is very possible that there is less hand work involved than you think.

If the hand made aspect is not important to you...... and you are not paying for it... then this is a moot point.

best,

..................john

[thibaulthalpern]

I second the Artistic Nippon route.
In the words of Sen no Rikyu The black is the beginning and ending of everything - black is a very Wabi Sabi aesthetic.
In my opinion the artisans on this forum make very good stuff but their chawans does not sing to me, often they are loud and don`t have the humility of articles from Japan.
I stumbled across this one http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 991wt_1166 on ebay.
Just my 2c.
David

David, I agree with you in that the kind of chawan I want too is simple looking but not simplistic. Some of the chawan I have seen are too decorative. I rather have a chawan that plays with a few elements (e.g., colour, pattern) but in sophisticated way.

[thibaulthalpern]

I think what you see on Artistic Nippon is really the "same" thing!!! Looks like from the same Kiln, "same" pattern. Hmm...! Thanks for sharing.

Often the cheaper ceramic items (everywhere) are produced by techniques that allow fast reproduction like jiggering, and slipcasting, and pressure casting, and ram pressing, and the like. There are lots of these methods. These forming techniques can capture some of the qualities of handwork.... but involve less skills to produce. At the least, Japanese pottery shokunin (ceramic paid staff workers) can be very adept at reproducing form designs with skill and accuracy by hand.

I don't have time now to look at the items in question....... but if the forms look very much the "same"....... it is very possible that there is less hand work involved than you think.

If the hand made aspect is not important to you...... and you are not paying for it... then this is a moot point.

best,

..................john

Thanks! Very helpful tips indeed!

[Robert Fornell]

I second the Artistic Nippon route.
In the words of Sen no Rikyu The black is the beginning and ending of everything - black is a very Wabi Sabi aesthetic.
In my opinion the artisans on this forum make very good stuff but their chawans does not sing to me, often they are loud and don`t have the humility of articles from Japan.
I stumbled across this one http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 991wt_1166 on ebay.
Just my 2c.
David

Here's a study in contrasts.......

Yamada Kazu - Kakuyu Oribe Chawan.jpg (16.49 KiB) Viewed 626 times

teguro 5dd.jpg (20.55 KiB) Viewed 626 times

Best,
R

[Robert Fornell]

I think what you see on Artistic Nippon is really the "same" thing!!! Looks like from the same Kiln, "same" pattern. Hmm...! Thanks for sharing.

Often the cheaper ceramic items (everywhere) are produced by techniques that allow fast reproduction like jiggering, and slipcasting, and pressure casting, and ram pressing, and the like. There are lots of these methods. These forming techniques can capture some of the qualities of handwork.... but involve less skills to produce. At the least, Japanese pottery shokunin (ceramic paid staff workers) can be very adept at reproducing form designs with skill and accuracy by hand.

I don't have time now to look at the items in question....... but if the forms look very much the "same"....... it is very possible that there is less hand work involved than you think.

If the hand made aspect is not important to you...... and you are not paying for it... then this is a moot point.

best,

..................john

+1 JB.

They are very good at making hand made looking ware. I once saw 200 yen rice bowls in a shop which were all similarily "thrown" however when I put the feet together, they varied slightly..... 5 or 6 different ram press molds to give the effect. Ingeneous!

Best,
R

[Seeker]

Hi J,
I'm wondering, in the case of the chawan available on Hibiki-an and Artistic Nippon have the possibility of being from the same kiln, same artist? Where both shops are sourcing similarly with this piece?

Thibault - you can contact Toru-san via his site and ask him - he will tell you the details of the chawan (if you want or even desire pursuing a particular chawan).

cheers.

[thibaulthalpern]

I'm now looking at some chawan from eBay, thanks to some suggestions from this forum.

Another dilemma I encountered: there are some chawan that I can afford but are without the wooden box, and I do say I do like the wooden box too! Argh!

I also notice that some chawan come with what is called a tomokire (cloth). What is the cloth for?

[davidv7]

Hope I didn`t offend someone.
Ceramurai - You are right it depends on the artist, but generally speaking there are more "loud" ones by western artiats - but I may be wrong.
But there is another topic for that

Thibauld - I guess that with a wooden box You can`t go wrong - it is hand made by the artist (if that is important to You).

[thibaulthalpern]

Can someone knowledgeable about chawan help me evaluate this to see if it is of good quality. The foot of the chawan looks a little unusual to me.

Here is the link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 282wt_1167

...but I also post the images here in case you don't want to click on the link.
















Thanks for your help!

[Tead Off]

I like this chawan very much. Pleasing color, texture, and, shape.

[thibaulthalpern]

I like this chawan very much. Pleasing color, texture, and, shape.

Yes, the shape is nice. I'm only a little concerned about the foot which looks a little unusual. Or is it just me being ignorant?