YAYEQ (Yet Another Yixing-eBay Question)

[chrl42]

Right, old pots exist from all levels of perfection. I think that lion's calligraphy is what they call ROC style and it was rubbed with a stone powder. Just to state my feeling of positive side..I wonder how the stamp looks like..

also photographing technique is another to consider. You can take a picture of bad pot to make it better in picture, if when do that to good antique pot to make it worse..it's no manner..

[Tead Off]

The calligraphy looks like it was put on with an electric tool as the edges are shattered.

[chrl42]

The calligraphy looks like it was put on with an electric tool as the edges are shattered.

Many antique pots are that way. (not to say that pot's the one)

[bagua7]

Seriously, this is about taste.

Yes agreed, but if you lack of a serious cash flow, forget about it!

I like "foo-things" as well:





Nice Feng shui in this piece, fish dreaming of a dragon.

[TIM]

Seriously, this is about taste.

Yes agreed, but if you want a serious cash flow, forget about it!

I like "foo-things" as well:





Nice Feng shui in this piece, fish dreaming of a dragon.

Your translation is really "Foo - ing - your - self"!
This is a Fish transforming to Dragon pot.

And I do like those Flower Pot from the same master sometimes:


http://baike.baidu.com/albums/188108/18 ... cc59ee90b3

[Tead Off]

The calligraphy looks like it was put on with an electric tool as the edges are shattered.

Many antique pots are that way. (not to say that pot's the one)

Electric tools have been used for a long time but the quality of the workmanship can vary dramatically. I see this kind of work on engraved stamp seals, intaglios, archaic jade, and, other ancient engravings related to my profession, Asian antiquities. These are always signs of forgery as the tools used by earlier cultures never shattered the surface like electric tools do.

So, on the aesthetic level, this pot fails badly but it can be older because electric tools were used quite some time ago.

[chrl42]

The calligraphy looks like it was put on with an electric tool as the edges are shattered.

Many antique pots are that way. (not to say that pot's the one)

Electric tools have been used for a long time but the quality of the workmanship can vary dramatically. I see this kind of work on engraved stamp seals, intaglios, archaic jade, and, other ancient engravings related to my profession, Asian antiquities. These are always signs of forgery as the tools used by earlier cultures never shattered the surface like electric tools do.

So, on the aesthetic level, this pot fails badly but it can be older because electric tools were used quite some time ago.

If you talk about after-engraving (after pot is made out of kiln), those are done with antique or valuable yixings, almost never done on cheap thowing yixings.

I'm no carving expert, just heard shattering (or scar on skin in expanded view) is one factor to examine the period of pot, peace

[MrMang]

Kidding about which part?

Thankfully I was just joking about buying it. As much as I would like to say I have a good taste in tea ware, I have made some mistakes before.

I had seen this one on EBAY but immediately had the same reaction as some others have had, apparently.

[In search of truth]

Chrl,you requested a picture of the seal.
There is no seal on the base and the potters chop is very faint.

This is the best I can do with my camera.

Here are a couple more similar pots with Foo Lions/dogs or Shishi.

The first one has only a single spout hole inside and apparently the transition from single spout hole to multiple hole was around 1860-70's.

This is not a rule of thumb.

It has a seal that I have so far been unable to read,but it may lead to an indication of its age.

One must bear in mind that Yixing teaware went into decline and was only revived by the influx of money and orders from K.S. Lo.

His insistence that potters of a high standard marked and supplied the pots to him raised the quality of the pieces.

That is why some of you seem to equate an average pot or badly transcribed poem on a liyerati pot with a fake piece.

It is a shame Chip took out all the pots that I had previously posted as they were an unusual representation of the Yixing potters art.

I must admit I find it a unique experience to be abused by a moderator of a website,all rather odd.

Please bear in mind this section is teaware and accessories and not tea itself and there is no reason for me to go into a modern teashop to see teapots.

[In search of truth]

The last picture on the above post relates to the pot commented on by Chrl.

Here are the remaining pictures of the second Foo pumpkin pot.

[MarshalN]

Chrl,you requested a picture of the seal.
There is no seal on the base and the potters chop is very faint.

This is the best I can do with my camera.

Here are a couple more similar pots with Foo Lions/dogs or Shishi.

The first one has only a single spout hole inside and apparently the transition from single spout hole to multiple hole was around 1860-70's.

This is not a rule of thumb.

It has a seal that I have so far been unable to read,but it may lead to an indication of its age.

One must bear in mind that Yixing teaware went into decline and was only revived by the influx of money and orders from K.S. Lo.

His insistence that potters of a high standard marked and supplied the pots to him raised the quality of the pieces.

That is why some of you seem to equate an average pot or badly transcribed poem on a liyerati pot with a fake piece.

It is a shame Chip took out all the pots that I had previously posted as they were an unusual representation of the Yixing potters art.

I must admit I find it a unique experience to be abused by a moderator of a website,all rather odd.

Please bear in mind this section is teaware and accessories and not tea itself and there is no reason for me to go into a modern teashop to see teapots.

This pot you're posting is a different one from the one about 10 posts earlier. This one's nicer.

Also, single-holed pots are still produced today. Just because a pot is single-holed doesn't mean anything with regards to its age.

[In search of truth]

The final foo pot is the largest,standing 12cm tall and 22cm handle to multiple holed spout.

Enamelled both lid with bats surrounding the foo dog/lion and unmarked under the lid.
There is a standard seal under the base.

1960's has been mentiones as a possible date but I think it could me a no. of years older.

[In search of truth]

Additional images,

[MarshalN]

I must admit I find it a unique experience to be abused by a moderator of a website,all rather odd.

Please bear in mind this section is teaware and accessories and not tea itself and there is no reason for me to go into a modern teashop to see teapots.

You do realize you're hijacking someone else's thread. If you want to talk about your own teapots, at least have the decency to start your own thread.

[Poohblah]

Look, I've stayed out of this until now, mostly because I don't have any expertise in Yixing pottery, and also because I would have added more fuel to the fire, but I'd like to take a moment to defend the actions of my fellow TeaChatters, including Chip. You've a lot of audacity to keep making the claims you do about the ages and provenances of the pots you post, especially when 1) you're clearly new to yixing, 2) you clearly don't read Chinese or have any background in the language or culture, and 3) there are experts on this board who have studied yixing for years, and yet you seem to insist on making claims to the contrary about all three of these points. I suggest you adopt a degree of humility, otherwise you seem like nothing more than a garden variety troll, which is what has earned you the wrath of Chip.

That is why some of you seem to equate an average pot or badly transcribed poem on a liyerati pot with a fake piece.

It is a shame Chip took out all the pots that I had previously posted as they were an unusual representation of the Yixing potters art.

I must admit I find it a unique experience to be abused by a moderator of a website,all rather odd.

Pots of the kind you've been posting are a dime a dozen. When I visited Hong Kong, they were literally littering the streets. Mainland China had its fair share, too. Even in the States, the teashops I've visited tend to carry lower-quality that resemble yours. Fakes and shoddy pots are exceptionally easy to come by, which is why nobody's given you any credit thus far: you haven't been doing yourself any favors by providing any definitive evidence of these pot's origins. Unfortunately, because Chinese artists learn by copying, things like style, chops, calligraphy, and other aesthetic features alone are rarely enough to determine a pot's authenticity (same goes for other genres of Chinese art, such as ink paintings). Your pots appear to be nothing more than copies, and poor ones at that.

With respect to Chip's moving/deleting of your posts, please be aware that you're kind of the catalyst here. You haven't been totally kind to others, expect the same in return.

Please bear in mind this section is teaware and accessories and not tea itself and there is no reason for me to go into a modern teashop to see teapots.

Where else are you going to find teapots? How else are you going to learn? Going to a museum, perhaps, but you'll only find pots of the highest caliber there, and not experience the full range of quality, nor will you be able to pick up the pots to feel their craftsmanship and texture of the clay. I find this to be a rather closed-minded statement of yours.