User avatar
Sep 5th, '13, 23:09
Posts: 178
Joined: Jun 30th, '13, 22:18
Location: Maryland

Re: Ebay Shuiping teapot

by kikula » Sep 5th, '13, 23:09

Thanks for the responses (even though I wasn't the OP) - I've read the archives and pretty much drawn that conclusion, and as far as I can tell that holds even if paying a good deal more, unless buying from a trusted vendor who also actually knows for sure what he's selling (also something of a rarity unless you're into hundreds of dollars, yes?). That's why I haven't purchased a yixing pot.
Erm, except a version of that one, in 100 ml, after reading the post. I mean, for $12USD with in-country shipping it's more or less free, right? I figure that I'm probably in the same who-knows territory with anything under $100. So, whatever? :oops: It was an impulse...
I'd still like to know WHAT exactly might kill one. Lead not so much, I've read - no one who's tested has come up with that that I could find. It's not colored so no chemical pigments, right? - unless it has red iron powder, dunno how toxic that is. They apparently dynamite the clay mines so heavy metals from that can be in there, but then that would be in all local pots of any price. What I haven't found is anything that documents a specific toxin that has been found in cheap 'yixing' pots. Everyone just murmurs dire things - anyone have anything more solid on that?

(Edit: Chri42, we seem to have posted simultaneously. Thanks for the response.)

User avatar
Sep 6th, '13, 09:00
Posts: 1885
Joined: Mar 22nd, '08, 22:26
Location: Yixing

Re: Ebay Shuiping teapot

by chrl42 » Sep 6th, '13, 09:00

kikula wrote:Thanks for the responses (even though I wasn't the OP) - I've read the archives and pretty much drawn that conclusion, and as far as I can tell that holds even if paying a good deal more, unless buying from a trusted vendor who also actually knows for sure what he's selling (also something of a rarity unless you're into hundreds of dollars, yes?). That's why I haven't purchased a yixing pot.
Erm, except a version of that one, in 100 ml, after reading the post. I mean, for $12USD with in-country shipping it's more or less free, right? I figure that I'm probably in the same who-knows territory with anything under $100. So, whatever? :oops: It was an impulse...
I'd still like to know WHAT exactly might kill one. Lead not so much, I've read - no one who's tested has come up with that that I could find. It's not colored so no chemical pigments, right? - unless it has red iron powder, dunno how toxic that is. They apparently dynamite the clay mines so heavy metals from that can be in there, but then that would be in all local pots of any price. What I haven't found is anything that documents a specific toxin that has been found in cheap 'yixing' pots. Everyone just murmurs dire things - anyone have anything more solid on that?

(Edit: Chri42, we seem to have posted simultaneously. Thanks for the response.)
From what I know, iron oxide powder (used for red), cobalt oxide (blue), chrome (green) and mangan oxide (brown) all are toxic to degree. There need not a document, cos it's just a fact.

On the other hand, many Chinese drinkers believe, those toxics won't radiate out because Yixing teapot is fired over 1100c..but this rather I don't have a document whether firing will build up a shield for toxic matters not to come out.

The Chinese also debate such things, I do know even if they are toxic..what affects body will be very little because officially the amount allowed to use is less than..0.2 (or is it 0.02? I forgot)....that is Factory 1's standard.

Factory 1 was a goverment factory...most of Yixing clays during 5~90's were produced under Factory 1. Those famous grand masters' clays were no different, only theirs are high-quality.

Problem is such rules are not applied in today's environment. They are not organized..they might use cheaper oxide powders (not imported one) or even worse...that I've no idea.

Ever since I came to China, one thing alarmed me was the Chinese had a fanatic faith unto 'brand' or 'name'...at the first time I didn't understand, more and more I began to :cry:

User avatar
Sep 7th, '13, 18:34
Posts: 178
Joined: Jun 30th, '13, 22:18
Location: Maryland

Re: Ebay Shuiping teapot

by kikula » Sep 7th, '13, 18:34

OK, rcv'd the super-super-cheap ebay pot today. As I have naught to compare it with but little Japanese kyusus and our artisan's pots my report is fairly meaningless, but here it is anyway (prior to actually brewing tea in it - it's soaking):

It's cute as hell. Very pretty and loveable and cunning. I see why people fall in love with these things even though this one's low quality. Darn.

Color on ebay pic is true - there's no unnatural patina that I can discern. The surface outside is very fine and smooth, inside a little rougher (but not sandy) with widely distributed tiny sparkly glints in bright light. None of those bits on the outside. Dunno what that indicates. Very new looking.
There's a barely visible seam line that runs from under the spout to the base, and also under handle. This pot is not pretending to be hand turned.
The lid is too small and can easily be wiggled back and forth within the rim, but doesn't leak when pouring or even held upside down. I wouldn't say that it turns terribly smoothly (compared to silky nice kyusus) - grates a bit.
The knob is in fact definitely too tiny to hold without covering the little hole; so far I really need two hands to pour this (it's 100ml). Awkward, but I'm used to gaiwan and kyusu style handles.
It smells like stone when wet with hot water, nothing funky there.
The walls seem very thin and delicate to me - don't know what's normal. The pot is much too hot to hold when full of off-the-boil water.
Lets see - oh, pour (with just water) is smooth and seems fine.
There's a chop inside the lid as well as on the bottom, same as pictured.

I only care about basic function for $12, if I can even expect that, and will see what it does with tea in it.
I've decided that it's too cute to be toxic, because after reading all of those archives the clear conclusion is that it's a thing that one simply decides, because no one knows unless there's several hundreds of dollars to throw at the problem, or intimacy with tea masters, or I suppose the experience that comes with starting with a $12 pot from ebay. :P

The upshot is that now I feel moved to save a little and search out a much better yixing pot. Maybe. I'm pleased that we have such good artisans here in the forum, with clays that some say are helpful to their tea and such truly beautiful pots. Might be a much saner way to go, for me - I love the glazed ones I've gotten so far. But the little wrong-side-of-the-tracks yixing here is really charming. So are toxic people, frequently. Sigh.

(BTW - there's a thread in here somewhere in which a Chinese vendor attempts to explain that men like yixing pots because it reminds them of cupping women's breasts. Check out the "Nipples" teapot at Tea Hong. Aureole and all. So that's it.)

(And thanks for helpful replies!)

User avatar
Sep 7th, '13, 22:00
Posts: 1885
Joined: Mar 22nd, '08, 22:26
Location: Yixing

Re: Ebay Shuiping teapot

by chrl42 » Sep 7th, '13, 22:00

Best thing over some pots of thousand dollars,

is that you have your jewel on your shelf that you truly love which also inspires...advice is just advice..but it will never knock out one's joy and pure love..

Cheers! :)

User avatar
Sep 8th, '13, 00:05
Posts: 5896
Joined: Jan 10th, '10, 16:04
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Contact: debunix

Re: Ebay Shuiping teapot

by debunix » Sep 8th, '13, 00:05

I just enjoyed a series of lovely infusions of Dan Cong in my littlest, and if I recall correctly, cheapest teapot ($5.99 from my local Chinatown tea shop). I figure at the price, my tiny pot, like yours, was not meant to lure an unsuspecting buyer into thinking they'd got a real treasure, and probably wasn't worth the effort it would take for the manufacturer to adulterate the (undoubtedly cheap) clay with anything toxic.

I've been feeding this pot consistently with nothing but fine TeaHabitat Dan Congs for the past year or two, and it does a nice job with them. The tea performs distinctly differently--in a pleasing way--that it does my glazed porcelain gaiwans. And that's enough to ensure its place on my office tea shelf forever.

User avatar
Sep 8th, '13, 02:08
Posts: 178
Joined: Jun 30th, '13, 22:18
Location: Maryland

Re: Ebay Shuiping teapot

by kikula » Sep 8th, '13, 02:08

You caught me out chri - I do love this little pot (and it just brewed me a very nice small-hours oolong session). Maybe in part because it's genuinely humble and not just expensively made to look so, if you know what I mean. I feel sort of maternal towards it. I also love beautiful, wrong-eared rescue dogs. (Elegant blue-bloods too - and that's a very similar racket, come to think of it. One of each.) :)
Debunix, that was my thinking, too. Really nice to hear that you've enjoyed yours!

+ Post Reply