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Re: New Shigaraki Kyusu Are Up On Hojo's Site

by kyarazen » Jul 15th, '14, 14:49

Chip wrote:Really, these are reduction Shiggies? I will have to check Hojo's site.

I have an earlier edition which is lighter and more tan than this latest edition. I got it second hand from a member, but I assume this one is oxygen fired ...
all the rough shiggies had always been reduction fired no?

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Tachi masaki Shiragaki rough clay reduction fired

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HOJOではお茶の味を美味しくする土をその概念を理解共感してくださる作家と共に研究しております。HOJOの研究成果をお試しください。
well researched and develop by hojo, does magical hocus pocus to your tea

it could most probably be just like purion methods, oxidised and reduced fired repeatedly.

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Re: New Shigaraki Kyusu Are Up On Hojo's Site

by Chip » Jul 16th, '14, 13:10

dshu wrote:I happened to come across this article last night. It mentions shigaraki at the end.
http://hojotea.com/en/posts-59/
Ah, so it does. It does not mention this under the availability heading. Not that I saw. I just skimmed the article, but will read it more fully when I have more time. Thank you.

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Re: New Shigaraki Kyusu Are Up On Hojo's Site

by Chip » Jul 16th, '14, 13:12

kyarazen wrote:
Chip wrote:Really, these are reduction Shiggies? I will have to check Hojo's site.

I have an earlier edition which is lighter and more tan than this latest edition. I got it second hand from a member, but I assume this one is oxygen fired ...
all the rough shiggies had always been reduction fired no?

Image


舘正規 信楽粗土 還元焼成
Tachi masaki Shiragaki rough clay reduction fired

山から採れた天然の土100%のの急須
100% mysteriously harvested from natural sources

HOJOではお茶の味を美味しくする土をその概念を理解共感してくださる作家と共に研究しております。HOJOの研究成果をお試しください。
well researched and develop by hojo, does magical hocus pocus to your tea

it could most probably be just like purion methods, oxidised and reduced fired repeatedly.
The photo caption is not on the English site ... was this on the Hojo site?

I was not aware all the rough shiggies were reduction fired which is why I asked. I truly had not heard this before or I simply missed it in the midst of a topic.

Are you quoting someone in the remainder of your post?

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Re: New Shigaraki Kyusu Are Up On Hojo's Site

by William » Jul 16th, '14, 15:05

Chip wrote:
kyarazen wrote:
Chip wrote:Really, these are reduction Shiggies? I will have to check Hojo's site.

I have an earlier edition which is lighter and more tan than this latest edition. I got it second hand from a member, but I assume this one is oxygen fired ...
all the rough shiggies had always been reduction fired no?

Image


舘正規 信楽粗土 還元焼成
Tachi masaki Shiragaki rough clay reduction fired

山から採れた天然の土100%のの急須
100% mysteriously harvested from natural sources

HOJOではお茶の味を美味しくする土をその概念を理解共感してくださる作家と共に研究しております。HOJOの研究成果をお試しください。
well researched and develop by hojo, does magical hocus pocus to your tea

it could most probably be just like purion methods, oxidised and reduced fired repeatedly.
The photo caption is not on the English site ... was this on the Hojo site?

I was not aware all the rough shiggies were reduction fired which is why I asked. I truly had not heard this before or I simply missed it in the midst of a topic.

Are you quoting someone in the remainder of your post?
I think it simply is from the Japanese version of the web site.

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Re: New Shigaraki Kyusu Are Up On Hojo's Site

by kyarazen » Jul 16th, '14, 22:32

Chip wrote: The photo caption is not on the English site ... was this on the Hojo site?

I was not aware all the rough shiggies were reduction fired which is why I asked. I truly had not heard this before or I simply missed it in the midst of a topic.

Are you quoting someone in the remainder of your post?
yep on the Hojo site, but the japanese version. he doesnt seem to completely translate his stuffs sometimes

the remainder of the post is a semi-translation of the captions to the image

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Re: New Shigaraki Kyusu Are Up On Hojo's Site

by 茶藝-TeaArt08 » Jul 29th, '14, 19:06

I received my shigaraki teapot fairly quick and was excited to see it. The clay has a wonderful warmth, color, and texture to it. The pot shape and size are perfect for my intentions. The inner ball filter is immaculately done, especially given the challenges of doing thin, articulate work with more groggy clay. The wall thickness was uniform throughout the pot and the lid sat snug in its seat atop the teapot.

Only.....the spout of this pot is extremely turned. As many know, some Japanese teapot spouts of side-handled kyusu (some Taiwanese pots too) are turned inward to aid in the swing and flow of the pour. My Shimizu Ken pot has a slight turn, as does one other Japanese side-handle kyusu I own. But this shigaraki pot's spout angle is extremely turned.

When I got the pot I took some cool water and did a pour test. No water leaked out the lid and the stream from pot came out fairly smooth. However, not without breaking (I teach Chinese gong fu, specifically Neijia/internal arts and have a very aligned sense of body structure) the wrist at an odd angle, which causes the the elbow, and thus the shoulder to have to come up to compensate for the broken wrist, does the pot resist, to some degree, dripping from the spout.

I prefer to hold my kyusus, especially smaller one's, with a particular one-handed grip (拿法), both for comfort and for aesthetic and kinesthetic reasons. I was going to take pictures but decided not to. The spout is really turned; in fact, the spout is turned so much that it also takes away from the beauty of the piece for me.

I generally pour a "dry" session, meaning I like a pot that doesn't leak from the lid, has a nice balance in the hand, and doesn't drip/dribble from the spout. Coming from the traditions of Taiwanese chayi, pots are expected to have certain performance in line with their tea-influencing and artistic merits. When we evaluate teapots at the teahouse, these performance aspects are often the first thing checked.

I contacted Akira Hojo about this and he agreed that the spouts are excessively turned and mentioned he once asked Masaki Tachi about this and that he was told it was to aid the pour. I have multiple side-handle kyusu that pour much better and are more of joy to use; their spouts are all either straight or only slightly turned. Hojo said that he too feels that the spouts are excessively turned and that he has some uncertainty around the decision of Masaki Tachi to make the spouts at such an extreme angle:
“To be honest, I too feel that the angle made by Masaki Tachi is a little too extreme. I was trying to adapt the way he designed and did not tell him very strictly. I guess it is time I need to tell him to improve it or I shall stop dealing with him. For the rest of artists in my lineup, the spout is almost straight." Akira Hojo

Hojo was in agreement with my observations and also very gracious. So, I am returning my shigaraki teapot to Hojo for a refund.

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Re: New Shigaraki Kyusu Are Up On Hojo's Site

by kyarazen » Jul 30th, '14, 02:36

whoops i missed your reply.

yes, which is why i said "iron-ish" than iron particles. the particles are probably FeO, but in tachi's firing it doesnt seem to get fluxed into the sillica
JBaymore wrote:
kyarazen wrote:..........and since the clay is reduction fired, there are quite some visible bits of iron-ish like particles.
It is important to note that even with exceptionally strong and early reduction firing in the kiln, the Fe2O3 (red iron oxide) that is either present in the clay to start with, or is converted to that form on the way up (in oxidation), is not reduced to raw Fe. FeO is as far as it gets, and that FeO is a POWERFUL low temperatuire flux on SiO2. So when the iron is reduced to the black state, it immediately goes into the glassy phase part of the body, so it is reasonably well tied up in an iron fluxed glass.

You are not going to ttypically find much free iron in a reduction fired pot. MAYBE at the core of a hematite nodule.

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Re: New Shigaraki Kyusu Are Up On Hojo's Site

by Teaism » Sep 17th, '14, 04:15

Hear Ye Hear Ye! New Shigaraki pots coming out in a few hours time!...Nicer design too this time... Plus some Shimizu Ken Mumyoi oxidation pots trailing along too.... :D

Watch that space :mrgreen:

Cheers! :D

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Re: New Shigaraki Kyusu Are Up On Hojo's Site

by Chip » Sep 18th, '14, 00:13

Teaism wrote:Hear Ye Hear Ye! New Shigaraki pots coming out in a few hours time!...Nicer design too this time... Plus some Shimizu Ken Mumyoi oxidation pots trailing along too.... :D

Watch that space :mrgreen:

Cheers! :D
I am on board this Shiggy train! :mrgreen:

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Re: New Shigaraki Kyusu Are Up On Hojo's Site

by kyarazen » Sep 18th, '14, 01:07

Chip wrote:
Teaism wrote:Hear Ye Hear Ye! New Shigaraki pots coming out in a few hours time!...Nicer design too this time... Plus some Shimizu Ken Mumyoi oxidation pots trailing along too.... :D

Watch that space :mrgreen:

Cheers! :D
I am on board this Shiggy train! :mrgreen:
which one did you pick? :D :mrgreen:

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by Sasameyuki » Sep 18th, '14, 08:54

Hi everyone,
I did several tastings with my shiggy (model S730-3) together with my (glazed) Petr Novak shiboridashi.
I personally find that the shigaraki is a real winner when drinking sencha or Chinese greens. Really very, very nice.
However, against my expectation the shiggy did not perform so well for sheng pu-erh (yes, I tried different shengs, steeping times, etc.) when compared to the shiboridashi.
Tastes differ of course but I was wondering if my fellow TeaChatters experienced the same.
Also, what would your recommendation be for sheng pu-erh? At the moment I'll stick to my shiboridashi.

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by kyarazen » Sep 18th, '14, 09:54

Sasameyuki wrote:Hi everyone,
I did several tastings with my shiggy (model S730-3) together with my (glazed) Petr Novak shiboridashi.
I personally find that the shigaraki is a real winner when drinking sencha or Chinese greens. Really very, very nice.
However, against my expectation the shiggy did not perform so well for sheng pu-erh (yes, I tried different shengs, steeping times, etc.) when compared to the shiboridashi.
Tastes differ of course but I was wondering if my fellow TeaChatters experienced the same.
Also, what would your recommendation be for sheng pu-erh? At the moment I'll stick to my shiboridashi.
i found the shiragaki interesting "revitalizing" for greener oolong teas, such as a huang jin gui, the peach pit note was had much greater intensity and clarity, and sharpens various delicate notes in green teas.

as for sheng pu-erh right now i dont like it with shiragaki as well as it seems to have imparted a bit of roughness in the brew texture. this was also seen when the shiragaki was used to brew a '93 da hong pao by a local tea master, the effect on the aromatics was apparent, but at the expense of the texture. nevertheless it is a fun pot, i have now a couple of pieces of two different shapes and i'm not "craving" to keep nor hoard more :)

i'm back to using flat shaped yixing for sheng pu (similar shape to shiborodashis)

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by Sasameyuki » Sep 18th, '14, 10:34

Thanks for your feedback, Kyarazen!
It seems our taste impressions are indeed very similar (I had forgotton to mention that I liked the shiggy with ‘green’ oolong too).
Such a flat yixing sounds indeed ideal for sheng pu. I have however lost quite a bit of money by buying 2 yixings that turned out to be fake (they ruined my tea :-(
So I guess I’ll have a closer look at the yixing topic here on TeaChat to find a reliable online shop. Wish me good luck!

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Re: New Shigaraki Kyusu Are Up On Hojo's Site

by Chip » Sep 18th, '14, 11:03

kyarazen wrote:
Chip wrote:
Teaism wrote:Hear Ye Hear Ye! New Shigaraki pots coming out in a few hours time!...Nicer design too this time... Plus some Shimizu Ken Mumyoi oxidation pots trailing along too.... :D

Watch that space :mrgreen:

Cheers! :D
I am on board this Shiggy train! :mrgreen:
which one did you pick? :D :mrgreen:
s733-3. I should double check the number ...

I wanted 150 ml with a ridged rim which will be different in size and rim from the one I have

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Re: New Shigaraki Kyusu Are Up On Hojo's Site

by Chip » Sep 18th, '14, 11:31

It is not pictured on his available now page, but it is similar to 733-1 and 733-2.

I was also fortunate to get a 120 ml. Which is also not on that page. It is in the 736 sequence and similar to those ... nice shape.
Edit: the 120 ml one is 736-3.

BTW, Akira informed me that he measures volume with glass beads. But when he happened to measure mine with water, they were 10 ml more, 160 and 130 ml. Fine by me, but you may want to keep this in mind.

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