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by chrl42 » Feb 12th, '09, 23:40

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chrl42 wrote: Clay disappears before knowledge appears, that's how yixing is.
I like this comment :D But this fact somewhat makes me feel not confident even start to learn more about the clays. :P
I didn't mean to be bad, I just wanted to tell my opinions on it.

I consider this yixing journey as 2 points, how it will brew a good cup of tea, and how it could earn as far as asthestic gives.

Yixing clay earned its reputation for satisfying 2 points.

People get turned off from yixing, just like people get turned off from puerh. But that's how their first approaching was wrong.

I don't really see any point using and buying, sloppy-made, dyes-contained, bad clay-used yixing teapot when there are lots of fine Jingdezhen porcelain wares at more reasonable price. And too many yixing wares have too high absorbing rate, muting flavor and aroma. But porcelain on the hand, brew a cup as honest as its real taste could have been.

That's just what I think,

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by gingkoseto » Feb 12th, '09, 23:57

chrl42 wrote:
gingko wrote:
chrl42 wrote: Clay disappears before knowledge appears, that's how yixing is.
I like this comment :D But this fact somewhat makes me feel not confident even start to learn more about the clays. :P
I didn't mean to be bad, I just wanted to tell my opinions on it.

I consider this yixing journey as 2 points, how it will brew a good cup of tea, and how it could earn as far as asthestic gives.

Yixing clay earned its reputation for satisfying 2 points.

People get turned off from yixing, just like people get turned off from puerh. But that's how their first approaching was wrong.

I don't really see any point using and buying, sloppy-made, dyes-contained, bad clay-used yixing teapot when there are lots of fine Jingdezhen porcelain wares at more reasonable price. And too many yixing wares have too high absorbing rate, muting flavor and aroma. But porcelain on the hand, brew a cup as honest as its real taste could have been.

That's just what I think,
I understand (the main idea but not technique details :P). I think your warnings are very valuable!
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by Salsero » Feb 13th, '09, 00:15

danibob wrote: Yea I'm going to stop stressing, sit back and enjoy the tea.
**Bing** You have attained teapot enlightenment!

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by chrl42 » Feb 13th, '09, 00:17

gingko wrote:technique details :P
I don't understand this line either, maybe you could elaborate little? so I could comment on it.

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by gingkoseto » Feb 13th, '09, 09:39

chrl42 wrote:
gingko wrote:technique details :P
I don't understand this line either, maybe you could elaborate little? so I could comment on it.
Oh, that was just a very general comment. I mean, there are a lot of technique details about the clay structure, clay property that I feel hard to understand. Sometimes by people's description, I can get some idea. But I've never had chance to see enough clay (I have been using porcelain and very regular yixing most of the time), besides clays get scarce and expensive nowadays, which makes it even harder to know the clays. I think the situation is exactly like what you said, "clay disappears before knowledge appears..."
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by chrl42 » Feb 13th, '09, 17:23

gingko wrote:
chrl42 wrote:
gingko wrote:technique details :P
I don't understand this line either, maybe you could elaborate little? so I could comment on it.
Oh, that was just a very general comment. I mean, there are a lot of technique details about the clay structure, clay property that I feel hard to understand. Sometimes by people's description, I can get some idea. But I've never had chance to see enough clay (I have been using porcelain and very regular yixing most of the time), besides clays get scarce and expensive nowadays, which makes it even harder to know the clays. I think the situation is exactly like what you said, "clay disappears before knowledge appears..."
Oh, I clearly see your point, thnx for your elaboration.

Good clay, might imply ones having 'sand', color, sometimes for smoothness, amount of unwanted clays, in the end they are ones that give collectors a pleasure, confirmed over time.

IMO they are one that brews tea well (most important) and looks better as time goes by (very important if it's true that not every clay is like that).

So you ask, "is this clay I'm using worth the price? or worth the fame?", purchasing should be done if answer is yes.

Even for those 'famous' clays like Di Cao Qing, Ben Shan Luni, Zhu Gan ni, factory.1 or CR period's, Zhuni etc..quality differs a lot and price, demand also differs a lot. I'd just recommend Lao ni, than others advertised by seller's words.

I don't wanna sound snobbish or anything as you know....if there is something I could help or something you oppose..let me know.

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by gingkoseto » Feb 13th, '09, 22:39

chrl42 wrote: I don't wanna sound snobbish or anything as you know....if there is something I could help or something you oppose..let me know.
I totally understand this :D I don't think it has anything to do with snobbish, about one should stay away from low quality, chemical painted or fake-named pots. The market has got really messy in recent years, and people should be very cautious.
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