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by Victoria » Jul 29th, '08, 01:15

Awww come on Sal everyone knows what a bourdaloue is.
Oui?

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by scruffmcgruff » Jul 29th, '08, 01:15

Chamekke, I believe it's a tea leaf presentation dish (cha he, IIRC), not a yuzamashi.

Still, very cool. I've been eyeing it for a while, but I have one of that shape, and I don't like think it works very well for big leaves. YMMV, though.
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by Chip » Jul 29th, '08, 01:23

Kinda looks like a yuzamashi for a gyokuro set? Especially like that set for "drop tea" only a very small amount of water is used and a boat load of leaf. Very low temps...around 100-110.

The top part is folded over which would make it hard to "present" the leaf for inspection.

I really don't know though, Brent.

Are there any more photos of other pieces? Size?

Regardless, it is beautiful!

EDIT: I stand corrected. You are correct, Brent.
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by chamekke » Jul 29th, '08, 01:24

Victoria wrote:Awww come on Sal everyone knows what a bourdaloue is.
Oui?
Uhh... bien sûr...

If you don't, check out the Wikipedia entry on "chamber pot". It says-- but no, I think I'll let you look it up for yourself :oops: Let's just say that it may be responsible for the slang word "loo."

But here are a couple of very nice blue-and-white examples of bourdaloue:

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They really do look a lot like a particular type of handled yusamashi...

Annyway... I like that dish, Space, whatever the #$&* it is. It's purty.

P.S. OK, see, this is why we need ITD!

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Bourdaloue encore et toujours

by Salsero » Jul 29th, '08, 01:31

Victoria wrote: Awww come on Sal everyone knows what a bourdaloue is.
Oui?
Not Google Define:, not Dictionay.com, not the first page of a straight Google search. The best I could come up with is the pot de chambre (désuet) above and a French Jesuit. I had the good sense to discard the Jesuit as an unlikely match.

Perhaps it is a question of age. After all my birth postdates the age of pots de chambre, désuet or otherwise.
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Unless it means "cha he." Why is Olivierco always sleeping when we need him? Actually, I suppose he would be wiser to keep out of the pots de chambre conversation. Come to think of it, so would I! Oops, too late.

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by Salsero » Jul 29th, '08, 01:34

chamekke wrote: But here are a couple of very nice blue-and-white examples of bourdaloue
Oh, I see. They are cha he. Very nice.

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by olivierco » Jul 29th, '08, 02:31

Louis Bourdaloue aka "king of preachers and the preacher of kings"was quite a rockstar in the 18th century. He was considered even better than Bossuet aka "l'Aigle de Meaux".
He was a preacher and two objects were named after him:

The hat ribbon (as he wore one) and the little pot de chambre because it was said that the dames de la cour had little pots de chambre under their dress so that they wouldn't miss any part of his sermons

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by Salsero » Jul 29th, '08, 02:58

Holy mackerel, Olivierco DID have all the answers after all!

Hurray!

Thanks for solving this very troubling set of problems. Now ... is Space's bourdaloue a cha he or a yuzamashi?

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by Space Samurai » Jul 29th, '08, 03:45

It's a Cha He, but I supposed you could use it for a yuzamashi if you only needed a few ounces.

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by scruffmcgruff » Jul 29th, '08, 19:53

Yes, it is a cha he. It's from Jing. I know the text says cha hai, but isn't that something else? The described function is, IIRC, the same as that of a cha he.

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by chamekke » Aug 3rd, '08, 22:07

Just discovered the following on Yahoo Japan Auctions. It's a glass natsume (tea caddy for thin tea). I've never seen such a thing before. It's completely blowing my mind.

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Seriously, it's not unusual to use clear glass or crystal for certain other tea utensils (especially cold-water jars, chawan-s or lid rests), but a natsume? Wow! This is so awesome. It's obviously meant for summertime - glass is traditionally reserved for this time of year (glass is thought to be icy and cooling), plus the crabs are a seasonal dead giveaway.

I only wish they'd posted a photo of the natsume filled with matcha; then the crabs would be scuttling among the grassy dunes above the beach!

If only I had a spare 29000 yen kicking around (plus shipping), I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

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by Victoria » Aug 4th, '08, 03:17

Sweet!

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by joelbct » Aug 4th, '08, 15:14

Victoria wrote:Oh my!!!! Pentox!!!!

Wow!!!! What have you done?????

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That thing is pretty cool! I like the design. I wonder how it rates on ease-of-use/functionality?

$200 for the brushed steel version...

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by Pentox » Aug 4th, '08, 17:43

joelbct wrote:
Victoria wrote:Oh my!!!! Pentox!!!!

Wow!!!! What have you done?????

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That thing is pretty cool! I like the design. I wonder how it rates on ease-of-use/functionality?

$200 for the brushed steel version...
The sad part about the sorapot is that it looks like it wasn't really designed for ease of use/functionality. To close the pot there is a metal bar on the bottom that swings in to lock in place. Locking is done by screwing the bar to tighten the seal. Filling the sorapot is done by POURING WATER IN THE SPOUT. :S

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by Geekgirl » Aug 4th, '08, 18:09

The fortunate thing is that most of these wares do not trip the switch for me, because I have very poor impulse control. That pot, while stunning, just doesn't do it for me like handcrafted items.

But... my poor impulse control just caused me to hit "buy now" on some brand new Fred Parker things.

Why on earth I must purchase more teaware, I'll never know. But like most of my hobbies, I have an obsession curve where I learn, learn, learn, then buy, buy, buy. Eventually I settle down and just enjoy. I hope for the sake of my wallet that I am approaching the "just enjoy" part now. Still, tea is way below the cost of my last two obsessions, so I only feel a wee bit guilty.

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