Bizen, shino & other teaware appreciation anyone?

[chrl42]

Ido chawan were originally soup bowls. The enormous influence they had on Japanese ceramics is evident even today. Some of the greatest Korean chawan are given great places of honor in museums and collections in Japan. Big, oversized, and rustic looking, made by potters who were making practical everyday pottery.

The influence of Korea (on pottery and tea ceremonies) can't be delimited to mere tea bowls ..

Yeah..

like

This is Japan national treature no.1..


This Korea national treasure no.83

Both almost look the same except one made of wood and the other made of metal. Japan, the country was civilized after huge and continuous immigrations of Korea and China...asians, regardless of their similar roots, never stop to fight and quarrel even to this day...guess it's time to sieze

[hobin]

This part sums up the essence of bizen:

"In contrast, the colors of Bizen ware are anything but vivid.” [...]

Earth tones, sure, but plenty vivid!

contemporary bizen is somewhat different from its momoyama model. this yunomi is beaufiful in any case (is it shunko-enn kiln?)
by contrast this is a yuzamashi by shunko nishimura (the original founder of the first shunko kiln)

[debunix]

This part sums up the essence of bizen:

"In contrast, the colors of Bizen ware are anything but vivid.” [...]

Earth tones, sure, but plenty vivid!

Where did you get such a beautiful cup?

From Magokorodo eBay shop

contemporary bizen is somewhat different from its momoyama model. this yunomi is beaufiful in any case (is it shunko-enn kiln?)
by contrast this is a yuzamashi by shunko nishimura (the original founder of the first shunko kiln)

SHUNKO-EN, Firewood calcination KINSAI teacup.

[Tead Off]

Ido chawan were originally soup bowls. The enormous influence they had on Japanese ceramics is evident even today. Some of the greatest Korean chawan are given great places of honor in museums and collections in Japan. Big, oversized, and rustic looking, made by potters who were making practical everyday pottery.

The influence of Korea (on pottery and tea ceremonies) can't be delimited to mere tea bowls ..

Yeah..

like

This is Japan national treature no.1..


This Korea national treasure no.83

Both almost look the same except one made of wood and the other made of metal. Japan, the country was civilized after huge and continuous immigrations of Korea and China...asians, regardless of their similar roots, never stop to fight and quarrel even to this day...guess it's time to sieze

For years, I always remembered this Korean masterpiece after running across it in many books. When I finally saw it at the National Museum, I realized that no photo could do it justice. The bend in the back of the seated figure is amazing when viewed from its profile.

However, after visiting the sites in Nara and seeing the wooden masterpieces from 7/8th century Japan, it was one of the most overwhelming experiences I've ever had. The Japanese were truly the masters of wood carving. Speechless.

[chrl42]

For years, I always remembered this Korean masterpiece after running across it in many books. When I finally saw it at the National Museum, I realized that no photo could do it justice. The bend in the back of the seated figure is amazing when viewed from its profile.

However, after visiting the sites in Nara and seeing the wooden masterpieces from 7/8th century Japan, it was one of the most overwhelming experiences I've ever had. The Japanese were truly the masters of wood carving. Speechless.

7/8th c. Japan hardly had so much civilization in it..it's been known the wood (redden pinewood) used for the Japan national treasure is only grown in south-east Korea..

Yamato Japan was a regime founded by immigrants from Korea and China..after absorbing both cultures and underwent a feudal period, the unified Edo Japan surpassed Chosun Korea, both economically and culturally. Then they opended a trade with West, started a motto 'anything West is better'..Meiji Japan surpassed China in many aspects.

[kyarazen]

i think chamaecyparis obtusa is still native to japan?

7/8th c. Japan hardly had so much civilization in it..it's been known the wood (redden pinewood) used for the Japan national treasure is only grown in south-east Korea..

[chrl42]

i think chamaecyparis obtusa is still native to japan?

7/8th c. Japan hardly had so much civilization in it..it's been known the wood (redden pinewood) used for the Japan national treasure is only grown in south-east Korea..

It must be native.

I just stated some of Korean historians' opinion..some of them argue whether that is from Baekjae (south-west) or Shilla (south-east), concluding it must be Dorai-jin (immigrant)'s creature..

Historians...they always start a mess.

[Tead Off]

For years, I always remembered this Korean masterpiece after running across it in many books. When I finally saw it at the National Museum, I realized that no photo could do it justice. The bend in the back of the seated figure is amazing when viewed from its profile.

However, after visiting the sites in Nara and seeing the wooden masterpieces from 7/8th century Japan, it was one of the most overwhelming experiences I've ever had. The Japanese were truly the masters of wood carving. Speechless.

7/8th c. Japan hardly had so much civilization in it..it's been known the wood (redden pinewood) used for the Japan national treasure is only grown in south-east Korea..

Yamato Japan was a regime founded by immigrants from Korea and China..after absorbing both cultures and underwent a feudal period, the unified Edo Japan suppressed Chosun Korea, both economically and culturally. Then they opended a trade with West, started a motto 'anything West is better'..Meiji Japan suppressed China in many aspects.

It's my understanding that all the wood used for the temples was local. Not everything came from Korea.

[William]

It is hard to believe that imported wood has been used to create such masterpieces .. but the cultural influence is undeniable!

[Tead Off]

The early Buddhist sculpture was directly influenced by Chinese sources of T'ang period, not really Korean. Buddhism came much later to Japan than Korea. Most of Korea's art was influenced by the Chinese. The Chinese probably thought of Korea as a vassal state. Korea probably paid tribute to them. I know I would have.

[chrl42]

The early Buddhist sculpture was directly influenced by Chinese sources of T'ang period, not really Korean. Buddhism came much later to Japan than Korea. Most of Korea's art was influenced by the Chinese. The Chinese probably thought of Korea as a vassal state. Korea probably paid tribute to them. I know I would have.

Korea paid a tribute to China, Japan paid a tribute to Korea..later Japan kicked back both countries..yes Korea was vessel state to China.

However, sometimes I wonder your true age..no matter how many teas you've been drinking..

[Tead Off]

[William]

The early Buddhist sculpture was directly influenced by Chinese sources of T'ang period, not really Korean. Buddhism came much later to Japan than Korea. Most of Korea's art was influenced by the Chinese.

What you say is true, but in Japanese culture there are element that can be traced and found only in Korea's culture (and instead never appeared in China).

However, sometimes I wonder your true age..no matter how many teas you've been drinking..

[JBaymore]

What you say is true, but in Japanese culture there are element that can be traced and found only in Korea's culture (and instead never appeared in China).

True.

best,

...............john

[Tead Off]

What you say is true, but in Japanese culture there are element that can be traced and found only in Korea's culture (and instead never appeared in China).

True.

best,

...............john

I am only talking about the Buddhist art which both Korea and Japan are influenced directly. Not sure what you mean by found only in Korean culture.