Organic Tea

Made from leaves that have not been oxidized.


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Re: Organic Tea

by gingkoseto » Nov 30th, '09, 19:39

Very interesting topic!

I guess how much one leans to organic tea is determined by how organic one's overall life style is. I currently only stick to organic milk (because the BGH sounds pretty much poison to me) and will buy more organic citric fruit (to make my aged orange peels :D :D ). But before I can afford more organic vegetables and fruits, I won't be very much interested in organic tea.

But I do hope more tea can be grown with organic fertilizer and without pesticide.

One of my concerns of organic food is, "not using inorganic fertilizer" may be practiced as "not using much fertilizer". I remember people talking about some organic tea doesn't tastes as good as inorganic tea, and I once read a report about organic oranges don't contain as much nutrient content as inorganic ones.

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Re: Organic Tea

by Seeker » Dec 1st, '09, 16:08

Okay, didn't like the O-cha organic gyo.
So, I opened the O-cha organic Oku Yutaka Sencha this morning.
I like it! It is mellow, but on the 3rd infusion, some really nice complexity, subtle, but nice.
I'll try another day with more leaf/more exacting. Again I intuited this morning. Here are a couple of pics.
Dry leaf in warmed kyusu (pre-swirl):
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1st infusion (approx 90s @ 155f):
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Cheers. :)

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Re: Organic Tea

by teaisme » Dec 2nd, '09, 17:18

Seeker wrote:I once read a report about organic oranges don't contain as much nutrient content as inorganic ones.
Most of the material I come across on this topic usually states the exact opposite. Keep in mind this is not just online sources and newspaper articles, where interests are often not as clear. Medical and agricultural journals/periodicals and studies conducted at major universities in the US, UK, and EU show a clear trend that not only are organic foods better for you because of the lack/reduction of pesticides, chemicals, and hormones; they also have higher nutritional value.

It is very important how a study breaks down its definition of nutrient content. Some studies simply measure levels of specific vitamins and minerals, while omitting others. Vitamins and minerals (macro nutrients) are only a piece of the picture.(There still seems to be generally a slightly higher/higher level of these nutrients in organic vs conventional produce though). Those studies that also measure antioxidants and phytonutrients (sometimes categorized as micro nutrients) point towards organic foods being superior.
Without pesticides the plants naturally produce more phytochemicals to defend against insects. Phytochemicals such as the different types of flavonoids found in tea!

Nutrients aside, its become pretty common knowledge that a lot of the chemicals/pesticides etc etc used in conventional farming are bad for you. These methods often don't hold well for the soil and surrounding ecology either.

For me personally they seem too far away from what food should be. The crops lack a balance with the natural ways/processes of the earth, instead taking shortcuts to reap short term rewards. I eat organic as often as I can, usually when I cook at home, but I also eat out a lot, and that's not organic, and usually pretty rich unhealthy food too. Somethings just taste too good not to eat! :P

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Re: Organic Tea

by Seeker » Dec 2nd, '09, 20:02

Thanks Churng!
Great info!
I'm so glad to hear what you've reported.

Now some comments about the O-cha organic Oku Yutaka.
I'm really falling in love with this tea. I've been enjoying it throughout most of the day.
In the first infusion, there is almost no astringency, and brewed properly, zero bitterness. There is very nice umami, but only medium body I think (on the tongue/mouth-feel). There are distinct floral notes in the aroma. In 2nd and 3rd infusions, the floral becomes subdued, and a lovely spice quality emerges, reminiscent of cinnamon (yet floral notes persist in the aroma!). Wow.
I brewed with more leaf today, but as I was rushing to make a drive into the city, I didn't have time to be exacting (g/oz). Hopefully I will have the wherewithal toward exactitude in the coming days.
I find this an absolutely lovely tea. It lacks the power and punch of nonorganic YM, but D@#n, it is good!
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Re: Organic Tea

by Seeker » Dec 7th, '09, 15:45

Question/query: I'm about to order some organic sencha and some organic matcha. Has anyone tasted/experienced these and do you have recommendations based on this?

Matcha I'm Considering:
(from Yuuki-cha) Uji Tenkei Hana, Uji Yuuki Midori, Uji Tenkei Tori, Yame? (my current favorite matchas that I'd like to get flavors closest to are Wakamatsu and Horai from Ippodo = chocolatey, nutty, smooth, some sweetness; I really don't like seaweedy, wheatgrassy, fishy :D ).

Sencha I'm considering:
(Yuuki again): kagoshima magakoro, shizuoka tenryucha (as you might notice, I'm going for fuka/deep steamed, I like buttery-ness and umami, trying to avoid -again- seaweedy, fishy, wheatgrassy).

I've already ordered these from o-cha: ooigawa supreme & ooigawa aoba senchas, and matcha kaoru supreme to try. Hope I like them.

Thanks! Any comments appreciated!
Cheers.
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Re: Organic Tea

by Chip » Dec 7th, '09, 16:22

Finally have some organics coming my way. 4 selections from O-Cha, Oku Yutaka, Fuushun, Ooigawa Supreme, Warashina Supreme.

I am anxious to see how Kevin did in sourcing these organics.

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Re: Organic Tea

by AdamMY » Dec 7th, '09, 16:55

Chip wrote:Finally have some organics coming my way. 4 selections from O-Cha, Oku Yutaka, Fuushun, Ooigawa Supreme, Warashina Supreme.

I am anxious to see how Kevin did in sourcing these organics.
Chip the Oku Yutaka is a great choice with a bit more leaf I think it can stand against the Miyabi and possibly the Yutaka Midori

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Re: Organic Tea

by Chip » Dec 7th, '09, 16:59

Yeah, I generally find more leaf is beneficial when brewing organics due to their more subtle nature.

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Re: Organic Tea

by Seeker » Dec 7th, '09, 18:58

Nice! I'll be excited to hear what you think of them.
Chip - didn't I read (searched organic matcha) that you'd tried some of Yuuki's organic matchas? How'd you like? (unless I'm mistaken of course).

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Re: Organic Tea

by Chip » Dec 8th, '09, 00:56

Seeker wrote:Nice! I'll be excited to hear what you think of them.
Chip - didn't I read (searched organic matcha) that you'd tried some of Yuuki's organic matchas? How'd you like? (unless I'm mistaken of course).
Yes, I was able to share in a tasting of Tori, Hana, and the Yame. The pricing is going to tell you what to expect. The Yame is pretty cheap but has a kick to it. The Tori was very good and the Hana was better yet. Nice packaging!

TBH, I do not know enough about Matcha pricing to say if it is a good value or not. But the Hana and Tori are not cheap.

Someone should do a cost per gram spread sheet on Matcha :idea: Sencha seems so much easier to gauge value.

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Re: Organic Tea

by Seeker » Dec 8th, '09, 01:13

Thanks C.
So, the midori is sort of slightly above the median, maybe I'll try that one. :D

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Re: Organic Tea

by Tead Off » Dec 8th, '09, 11:02

Seeker wrote:Nice! I'll be excited to hear what you think of them.
Chip - didn't I read (searched organic matcha) that you'd tried some of Yuuki's organic matchas? How'd you like? (unless I'm mistaken of course).
The Organic Uji Matcha Tenkei Tori from Yuuki-cha was noticeably finer and smoother than other matchas that I've had. They claim it's a very high grade matcha that begins to approach the top grades (they have higher grades than this). The price is more than most matchas but not as high as others.

Not being very excited by any matcha I've ever drank, compared to senchas for example, I find subtle differences between matchas, not dramatic ones as in teas. But, if you are really into matcha, you should spend a little more and see if you like the difference of a top grade powder. With leaf, I almost always wind up paying more for better quality and have stopped looking for bargains.

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Re: Organic Tea

by Seeker » Dec 8th, '09, 13:13

Thx TO.
Good idea. :D

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Re: Organic Tea

by Smells_Familiar » Dec 8th, '09, 13:35

I was happy with the Ooigawa Supreme. It's a very good organic fukamushi that goes the distance, imo. In all honesty, it's been a while since I've had another fuka so I don't have the most solid base for comparison, but I was happy with it. Warashina Supreme is up next.

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Re: Organic Tea

by Seeker » Dec 9th, '09, 01:14

Thanks S F.
Hey, I think I noticed you're a fornell fan too?
Any chawan w/ matcha you'd care to share with us on Today's Matcha?
I wonder if you've got any of his that I've drooled over.
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