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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

by bagua7 » Apr 28th, '12, 04:25

tjk, here's another discussion about zhuni, hongni and modern zhuni in case you didn't come across it:

http://houdeblog.com/?p=130

And an e-mail I received in the past from a Yixing-based vendor in regards to zhuni:

"Zhu Ni is typically found at the bottom of the mines and it is hard as
a rock it is also called "Shi huang ni" roughly translated into "Bone of
Rock"

Rare, yes it is semi-rare it is harder and harder to find. Most of
the clay has been mined and it has been kept in storage for years and
been sold off bit by bit to artists at high and higher prices. Most
of the clay is in private stock today with less and less being mined
every year. Just like any clay no matter what the color, they all
have different grades. So not all clay even Zhu Ni is top grade.
Color depends on Iron Content of the clay. Wrinkly, Orange Peel and
pear skin texture are not specific to Zhu Ni. An artist can mix the
clay with larger gains of Zi Sha clay to give it a texture. In
addition, the artist might not mix the clay and use a piece of Ox horn
to smooth out the clay and make it super smooth almost polished
looking or anywhere in between these two extremes.
Therefore, these textures are not typical characteristics of any
specific clay.
Ring tones can depend on the firing temperatures of the pot, different
clay thickness and if the pot is wet from use. Honestly, the ring
tone has nothing to do with the quality of the pot. I know this will
be argued but it is true. The main reason for the ring check was to
see if the teapot had hairline cracks from misuse or a bad firing. It
is imposable to tell the quality of a pot by the ring due to all of
the different factors involved.
In fact some teapots are fired a bit lower on purpose some say they
just have a different feel to them that seems to some, more
comfortable.

So now, you ask how to tell good clay? Honestly, if I write too much
here some fly by night Teapot Vendor will copy years of experience
paste it on their website and claim they know everything there is to
know about Zi Sha. When I finish my website 100% I will have tons of
encrypted hard to copy information for all to read and enjoy.

If you are interested in getting an e-mail from me when I have this
kind of detailed information available then e-mail me and I will put
you on a list and send you a link when I am done (one day I hope). I
plan to have a ton of information about Puerh, Zi Sha, and other
things that most vendors will not tell you
.
All of the above information is my view from my experience, it is not
set in stone, and I am not here in hopes of selling anything. I am
only sharing my little but sometimes-useful knowledge about these
things. I will never to claim to know everything about anything!
"

As you already know the rabbit hole keeps going deeper and deeper... :lol:

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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

by Tead Off » Apr 28th, '12, 05:25

Has the Yixing based vendor gotten his site up yet? His English seems too good to be true, but, he speaks intelligently. One of the questions that has always bothered me is how does one know if a clay is zhuni or something else? It is my opinion that a good potter who is experienced in working with various clays can create looks that can be very confusing and mix clays that produce teapots that cannot be classified as single clay teapots. We would all like to be experts in this field but that rabbit hole doesn't seem to end.

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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

by tingjunkie » Apr 28th, '12, 10:42

tkellyd wrote: Love the fish pot! The problem I find, though, is that plugging the vent does nothing to stop the flow of air as it escapes through the moving eyes on the lid. Something to consider in your quest for the perfect pot.
I don't make this a requirement for my teapots, as I have quite a few that don't pass this test, but still make wonderful tea. FWIW though, on this one if you cover the fish's mouth the water flow stops completely. :wink:

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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

by bagua7 » Apr 28th, '12, 22:27

Yes he has, but he hasn't put much info up yet. In addition, this vendor has been reported in the past here by myself and Drax?? I think.

The rabbit hole will never end in the Yixing business. I have never encountered this "mess" in my entire life and I have been involved with so many different things in my 45 years of existence on this planet. It's just mind blowing. The Chinese have created some sort of monster.

I have some questions in regards to zhu ni clay?

1. What is modern zhu ni made of?

2. Who has got access to zhu ni mined from the only operating mine (Hu Fu mountain)?

3. Why the Government doesn't allow for the extraction of real zhu ni from new mines? Maybe zhu ni is being extracted from illegal mining, so where does this clay go to?

4. Is the old zhu ni much better than the modern zhu ni when it comes down to brewing tea?

We can write here 100 pages about this subject and get nowhere.

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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

by Drax » Apr 28th, '12, 22:52

Hrm, wasn't me... or at least, I don't recall ever having attempted to order from this vendor. The worst trouble I've had with any vendor was one that had to cancel my order due to not having the teapot in stock that I wanted to get...

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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

by pgho » Apr 29th, '12, 11:53

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Found these three sets at a Tea House in Penang, Malaysia. Apparently someone booked them a few years back, the three dusty boxes were on the floor way at the back of the display shelf somewhat forgotten till my curiosity got better of it. Guess 26 pieces of shui ping pots not too many. :mrgreen:

Did not get much info except these are made from store away clays from the old factory, I presumed that's factory 1. The woman artiste who made them died a few years back, one of those factory-1 workers from the 60's to 80's. Design-wise, used the same F-1 molds for the lids. Sizes ranged from about 35ml to 175 ml. Std "China Yixing" stamp. Pots appeared fairly high fired.

Welcome your comments. The pots are sitting on the original boxes.

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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

by tingjunkie » Apr 29th, '12, 21:27

Those are awesome pgho! I'm drooling a little. :lol:

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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

by Alex » May 1st, '12, 04:28

Wow,,,,what a find

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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

by Tobias » May 1st, '12, 10:28

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Clay: Zini
Size: 80ml
Age/Year: 1970-1980
Walls: Medium
Pour: +/- 8 sec.
Filter: Single hole
Source: Essence of tea
Tea Pairing: Aged shēng

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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

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These pots are gifts from a friend who returned from China.
Clay : Porcelain on hei ni (black) and Porcelain on grey clay.
Have no idea if the clay is zisha at all, do not feel like zisha
Age : Modern
Made : See stamp below, sorry I do not read Chinese
Size : Approx 140ml
Wall : medium
Filter : 14 holes, 3-4-4-3 configuration
Pairing : Not done
Firing : high pitch, maybe due to material rather than firing
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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

by tingjunkie » May 2nd, '12, 19:36

Those are very interesting. Never seen pots like that before. I like them! (As long as they make good tea, of course.) Taiwanese made perhaps?

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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

by chrl42 » May 3rd, '12, 12:36

bagua7 wrote: I have some questions in regards to zhu ni clay?

1. What is modern zhu ni made of?

2. Who has got access to zhu ni mined from the only operating mine (Hu Fu mountain)?

3. Why the Government doesn't allow for the extraction of real zhu ni from new mines? Maybe zhu ni is being extracted from illegal mining, so where does this clay go to?

4. Is the old zhu ni much better than the modern zhu ni when it comes down to brewing tea?

We can write here 100 pages about this subject and get nowhere.
1. yixing clay. low-quality zhuni contains quartz liquid and iron oxide
2. illegal miner? Hu Fu doesn't have good Zhunis anymore.
3. ppl died mining yixing clays. it needs $$ to operate mining system cos left clays are in the basement of the ground.
4. much better. you can easily know by checking out the prices between 2

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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

by chrl42 » May 3rd, '12, 12:38

Tobias wrote:
ZiniPot1.jpg
Clay: Zini
Size: 80ml
Age/Year: 1970-1980
Walls: Medium
Pour: +/- 8 sec.
Filter: Single hole
Source: Essence of tea
Tea Pairing: Aged shēng
overall looking is close to late-70's~early-80's. They usually have rough-looking 6-letter or 4-letter seals.

it's one of 5-style SP created by F1. that specific shape is called Rou Bing or Xia Bian.

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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

by MarshalN » May 3rd, '12, 12:57

chrl42 wrote:
Tobias wrote:
ZiniPot1.jpg
Clay: Zini
Size: 80ml
Age/Year: 1970-1980
Walls: Medium
Pour: +/- 8 sec.
Filter: Single hole
Source: Essence of tea
Tea Pairing: Aged shēng
overall looking is close to late-70's~early-80's. They usually have rough-looking 6-letter or 4-letter seals.

it's one of 5-style SP created by F1. that specific shape is called Rou Bing or Xia Bian.
With regards to dating it's kinda hard to tell without better pictures

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Re: Official/Different Yixing Show Off Topic!

by chrl42 » May 3rd, '12, 13:06

MarshalN wrote:
chrl42 wrote:
Tobias wrote:
ZiniPot1.jpg
Clay: Zini
Size: 80ml
Age/Year: 1970-1980
Walls: Medium
Pour: +/- 8 sec.
Filter: Single hole
Source: Essence of tea
Tea Pairing: Aged shēng
overall looking is close to late-70's~early-80's. They usually have rough-looking 6-letter or 4-letter seals.

it's one of 5-style SP created by F1. that specific shape is called Rou Bing or Xia Bian.
With regards to dating it's kinda hard to tell without better pictures
I saw the thickness of lids, 5-style SP has 3 stages, first version (early-60's), long-shaped and has a letter inside the lid.

Next version is CR, taller-shaped one and warped lid one(there were groups 'specially made SP), after the CR ones look just like above, thick-lip.

Of course after looking at the seals it's more clear...

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