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Howdy! Another fresh convert here.

by Tapar » Feb 10th, '10, 17:43

Hi,

I wanted to introduce myself and thank everyone for providing such an interesting and fun message board. I have already found some really interesting threads and this seems like a very cool place to learn about tea.

I am a technology geek and most of my interests revolve around gadgets and consuming entertainment from the internet and books. I have always tended to drink pretty much constantly all day long. I was a milk drinking fiend as a child, and by the time I was in college and first started working, I was averaging 4+ liters of Mountain Dew each day. I eventually kicked that habit and replaced it with Coffee and flavored waters.

A few years ago I switched over to "Dynasty Chinese Restaurant Tea" teabags from an online vendor. I liked it but it was only somewhat close to what I was really looking for, which was to replicate the tea found in local Chinese restaurants. It took quite a long time but I eventually got tired of that and for the past six months or so have been mixing in other types of teabags.

I have been curious about loose tea pretty much right from when I found the bagged teas online. I assumed loose tea would be a hassle to deal with and that it couldn't really be that different from the bagged tea. I had not really looked into it yet so I had no idea how wrong I was. I basically wrote off loose tea on incorrect assumptions.

This past weekend I was starting to run low on my bagged tea once again and was getting ready to go online to place an order. I was having one of those relaxing Saturdays where you stay in and do whatever you feel like. I decided that before I ordered the bagged tea, I would find some info about other types of tea and perhaps find something new to add to the order.

I am sure most of you already know this, but there is an amazing amount of information about tea out there! I started to feel a bit overwhelmed but one thing that became clear was that I had made a mistake to have written off loose tea so quickly. The level of derision for bagged tea and praise for loose tea really surprised me. After I started learning about stale old tea dust vs fresh whole leaf tea I started to think there might be something to that.

The thing that drove it home for me was when I first learned that White, Black, Oolong, and Green tea all came from the same plant...that blew my mind. I figured if they could get that kind of diversity out of one tree...I probably WAS missing out on something. I was determined to learn more. There were a few "ah ha" moments reading up on the subject, one notable moment was learning that steeping black tea too long adds bitterness. I had noticed the effect but had not associated it with the cause.

I actually started to get a bit hesitant about actually trying loose tea. I started wondering if it might prove to be a bit of a tease and end up being difficult to add it to my routine in a viable way. The damage was done though, I had learned enough to know I had to try it and then figure out some method to integrate brewing loose tea into my daily life minimizing the annoyances.

I got some great suggestions in the teaware forum and wound up ordering a 4 liter Zoji boiler/warmer and Adagio's IngenuiTEA teapot. It came with a sampler that included the 'Earl Grey Bravo' from Adagio.

I made a cup of that, and to say that I enjoyed it would not do the experience justice. I was expecting it to be subtly better than the various teabag versions of earl grey I had tried in the past. There was no subtle about it though, it was a shockingly superior result. I had no idea how much I would end up preferring it. It opened my eyes in a way that is difficult to put words too. It pretty much made an instant convert out of me.

After I got past the wonder of the first 3-4 cups I found myself regretting that I had wasted so much time with inferior tea, especially since there was no good reason! I had my brother over to share the experience and he was as floored as I was by how noticeably better the loose tea earl grey was.

I was never a big fan of Green tea based drinks in the past, but I was anxious to try the green tea sample and see how different that tasted from what I had disliked in the past. I knew from my research that I had to mind the temperature. I wasn't sure how to do that though. The zoji has temperature settings, but it takes a long time for the water to cool to the right temperature in that.

That showcased a need for some kind of pitcher to hold the water and let it cool prior to adding to the IngenuiTEA teapot. I attempted to use my mug, but after making a huge mess decided that wasn't a good long term solution. :)

I eventually got it sorted out enough to make some green tea, taking care to get the temp to 175 and then to brew it for 3 mins. In the end I still did not like it, but it was much better than past experiences with green tea. I suspect I am just not a fan of the green tea's, but I am still looking forward to trying some other types and seeing what I think of them before I write myself down as not being a green tea fan.

I did make a newbie mistake. I went a bit crazy ordering sample packs and then single samples of various tea types that sounded interesting. I probably should have ordered less all at once to make sure they are all fresh when I get to them. I won't let it be a problem, but in hindsight I would have started slower. lol.

I am totally on board now though, no going back to tea bags for me! I am hooked, though I still have a few minor items to resolve. I have not yet found a good way to clear the spent leaves from the ingenuiTea. I can do it with no problem at a sink, but I still hope to find a good way at my tea station area that doesn't have a sink or drain. I also have yet to learn if spent tea in the waste basket will be an odor problem, smell good, or be a non-issue. Little things like that are the next stop on my tea journey.

I also want to find a really sold mug to use with the IngenuiTea, my current giant mugs are too wide rimmed to use with it. Thankfully I thought ahead and got a glass mug from adagio when I placed the original order, but I dropped it in the sink and have a crack starting in the handle. It should last till I find an indestructible replacement though.

I am really excited to work my way through the different teas and to learn more about tea in general. The history of tea is really fascinating! I am starting to ramble and this is already a long post so I should stop here. Thanks again and I look forward to getting to know you all.

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Re: Howdy! Another fresh convert here.

by bsteele » Feb 10th, '10, 18:03

Welcome to TC! We are glad to have you and look forward to seeing you around more :)


Tapar wrote: The thing that drove it home for me was when I first learned that White, Black, Oolong, and Green tea all came from the same plant...that blew my mind...
Haha, pretty much the same thing here. I was amazed.

Cheers!

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by brian » Feb 10th, '10, 18:04

Tapar wrote: I did make a newbie mistake. I went a bit crazy ordering sample packs and then single samples of various tea types that sounded interesting. I probably should have ordered less all at once to make sure they are all fresh when I get to them. I won't let it be a problem, but in hindsight I would have started slower. lol.
:lol: I'm in the same boat, just getting started and bought a bunch of samples. Didn't realize how much tea it would actually be! But it all seems to be vacuum packed nicely, I suspect it'll hold up pretty well. I'm just keeping myself to 2 or 3 open bags at a time.

On your green, maybe try shorter steeps? I'm starting with greens, and the past couple of days with Japanese Sencha, first infusions are short, more like 1 minute. Second infusion I'm doing even shorter. Of course there are other variables, how much leaf vs. water, but it doesn't seem to take much time to get a nice cup of green. You won't get a super deep color, so don't worry if it looks weak, give it a try. Take a look around here at some past threads, or check vendor web sites (Den's, O-Cha, etc.) for some guidance on how much leaf, water, and time. I'm using more leaf and less time than I would have guessed, and this morning got 4 or 5 nice infusions.

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by bsteele » Feb 10th, '10, 18:09

brian wrote: On your green, maybe try shorter steeps? .
Good advice.

I'd also say the same thing for everything you are trying out for the first time. I often find Adagio's recommended brewing times to be the longest you'd want to brew.

For example, I find 5 min too long for blacks (for 1st infusion) and when many first timers brew for 5 min and decide it's too bitter, they may give up. Besides, it's always a great learning experience to taste the tea at different times of the steeping process so you can see how the flavors are changing.

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Re: Howdy! Another fresh convert here.

by Chip » Feb 10th, '10, 19:49

Greetings Tapar. Thank you for sharing your initiation to loose leaf tea. I hope to see you around the forum!

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by Victoria » Feb 10th, '10, 20:01

Hi and welcome to the forum. Sounds lie you are on the right track. A lot of stuff in the beginning is trial and error, and it is good to ask questions. So ask away. Ultimately you will fond your own brewing style and what works best for you.

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by debunix » Feb 10th, '10, 21:07

If you're having trouble with the green teas, it's ok to put them aside for a while, and try again later. I started out with very forgiving oolongs and puerhs, and was afraid of black teas and green teas because in my hands they were so often bitter, but after a couple of years of more regular brewing and more exploration I am now drinking some japanese and chinese greens as well as the occasional black yunnan....each ventured on with some trepidation but with the help of groups like this my learning curve has been a lot shorter than it used to be.

And as someone else said, many teas, especially those vacuum packed and sealed, will be just fine in the back of a cabinet for a good long while. My present tea odyssey was in part sparked by rediscovery of a tin of Pouchong taiwanese oolong that had been in the back of my cabinet for at least 2-3 years, including a 2,000 mile cross country trip in the moving van. It was delightful. The japanese greens won't keep so well, but oolongs and puerhs and black teas are more resilient.

The easiest way for me to handle tea brewing where I don't have easy cleanup access is a gaiwan, which is so simple that a quick sweep with a paper towel gets it ready to go again. Not as slick as other toys, but entirely practical.

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Re: Howdy! Another fresh convert here.

by geeber1 » Feb 10th, '10, 22:08

Hi Tapar, welcome to TeaChat!
Tapar wrote:I also want to find a really sold mug to use with the IngenuiTea, my current giant mugs are too wide rimmed to use with it.
When I use my IngenuiTea with a large mug or pitcher, I just hold it and push one side of the bottom valve against the mug/pitcher to release the tea. You lose the convenience of just plunking it on top of your mug, but it still works.

It is hard to completely remove all the leaves without water, I haven't figured out how to do that yet!

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Re: Howdy! Another fresh convert here.

by Tapar » Feb 11th, '10, 16:54

I have not given up on green/white tea yet, but I am going to push it to the back of the line. :) I really liked the earl grey and also been enjoying some oolong. I figure I will work my way through the black and oolong tea's before I experiment with the greens, whites, and herbals.

I appreciate the tips too btw! I tried making the earl grey with a 4 min brew time instead of 5 min. I didn't notice a huge difference there but I did prefer it. I am kind of excited that things like that make a notable difference. It will make finding the method/time/tea you like most more satisfying in the end.

I spent some time looking for videos and information about using Gaiwan's and it does look like a cool brewing method. I will stick with the ingenuiTea for a while yet but can see how that would be easier to empty after you get the hang of it. The youtube video's showing Gaiwan's in action were very informative. In a few of them the tea was prepared on a trays designed to handle the spills and it got me thinking that might be handy to try and incorporate into my setup.

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by Victoria » Feb 11th, '10, 18:17

Yeah, a tea tray might be good for you. Very handy with a gaiwan. Gaiwans are particularity good for larger leaf teas like oolong.

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by Proinsias » Feb 11th, '10, 19:04

Hi Tapar and welcome to Teachat.

If you're already looking at gaiwan you should get one, in my opinion it's the greatest tea making device evah!!!

You can pick up a plain white one, I would opt around 100ml, for almost nothing. Of all the teaware I own the two white gaiwans, 60ml and 100ml, get the most use. Not sure what youtube vids you've watched but our very own MarshalN has amongst the best for getting started with a gaiwan here.

I do like having a teasea/teatray to handle excess water but a bowl or something similar will do the job just as well.

After years of tea drinking I finally discovered that putting tons of leaf in a tiny space for many short infusions was my own personal holy grail.

Stéphane's got some lovely set ups that are drain free.

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Re: Howdy! Another fresh convert here.

by hop_goblin » Feb 18th, '10, 01:35

Thanks for sharing! Welcome

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by olivierco » Feb 18th, '10, 05:18

Welcome!

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