Stepping in pu

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Stepping in pu

by spinmail » Jun 20th, '10, 12:49

THE FIRST DAY
I figured that my recent experiences with a 2009 Menghai 7542 raw cake might be instructive, or at least mildly amusing. What follows is a kind of tea "journal."

I started with a portion of tea fairly well reviewed puerh cake, a certain dissatisfaction, and some free time. I'd sampled the 7542, based partially on reviews of enthusiastic fans; I, however, was less than enthused. To my palate, the tea was - frankly - rather boring. At 200F, and ended up with a scorched tea that was barely drinkable - at least to my jaded taste buds. At lower temperatures; the bitter taste disappeared, but I ended up with a personality-less green puerh. I liked the color of the liquor - the hue of a first flush Darjeeling. But somehow, it failed to excite. I contemplated tossing the remaining tea cake into a community compost heap, where at least it could be recycled responsibly.

But since I already had most of the tea cake remaining, albeit in pieces, why not use it on a science experiment?

I took a 60g chunk of tea (using a scale purchased for $5.00 on eBay), and moistened it with an atomizer. It took several hours to make sure the tea was thoroughly soaked. The tea was already to a certain extent oxidized, but I wanted some kind of added change.

The tea seemed moist and the color of spinach, with lighter green strands mixed in. I wrapped the bowl in plastic wrap, and let it to rest on my turntable.

LATER THE FIRST DAY
After all of the leaves were moist and separate, I'd hoped to cause additional oxidation to the leaves, if that were possible. For around a quarter hour, I put the wet leaves into a mason jar, and shook them vigorously. I'm not sure I noticed that much difference afterwards, but I let them rest for several additional hours.

I probably wasn't the first to realize what can and can't be done to change the flavor of a tea well after it's been harvested. But the fact is, I really disliked the "flavor" of the 2009 Menghai 7542 - personally, one of the more boring teas tea I've tasted in recent memory. Anything I could do to change it - and possibly improve it - could only be a step in the right direction. I had one last option: pan firing.

I retrieved a hugh cast iron frying pan, preheated the range, and dropped a clump of tea onto the pan. It sizzled in the background, but I always made sure the temperature was low. Soon, I started noticing changes. The amount of leaves now filled only half the pan. The colors of the tea changed from medium to deep green to various shades of brown. The smell changed from a wet tea aroma to that of a green oolong.

I could have taken it farther, but I reserved the leaves to a drying mat ma. I fiddled with the drying leaves for about an hour before going to bed and letting nature take its course.

THE SECOND DAY
Next morning, all the leaves were clearly dry. The tea had the feel of dry leaves, and looked like bold oolong. The aroma was clearly more pronounced; instead of a green puerh, the fired leaves were more assertive, somewhat sharper than before.

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With a digital scale, I measured 4.5g of the fired tea, and boiled water to around 180F - around the temperature of oolong. Instead of yixing ware, I opted to use a closed teacup for brewing; this gave me bit more control over the steeping process.

THE CONCLUSION
The verdict?

No effect that I noticed. The flavor of the tea did not change, which still had the flavor characteristics of a young sheng. It would have been great to snatch victory from near-certain defeat, but the leaves and prior oxidation had a greater effect than anything I could dish out.

I guess my compost heap is going to get extra fuel this week.
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Re: Stepping in pu

by Proinsias » Jun 20th, '10, 12:59

Might be as well leaving it in a cupboard. Pu is really good at waiting. You may come to like it in time and the tea may improve in time.

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Re: Stepping in pu

by debunix » Jun 20th, '10, 13:11

Two quick thoughts in response:

are you sure you got a genuine beeng and not a fake? after reading an amazing post here it's clear that ordering something with a famous maker's name & recipe doesn't mean you'll get what you expect;

and give it time, unless you really have no space at all to let it hang out for a few years.

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Re: Stepping in pu

by spinmail » Jun 20th, '10, 13:24

Yes, it is genuine - but I'll have to admit that the responses of a few others makes a lot of sense: if in doubt, let it age.
debunix wrote:Two quick thoughts in response:

are you sure you got a genuine beeng and not a fake? after reading an amazing post here it's clear that ordering something with a famous maker's name & recipe doesn't mean you'll get what you expect;

and give it time, unless you really have no space at all to let it hang out for a few years.

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Re: Stepping in pu

by shah82 » Jun 20th, '10, 14:35

These sort of recipe teas aren't meant to be drunk young. You have to wait at least 7 years in a somewhat humid environment to get something drinkable. There are other recipe teas that are tweaked so as to give you something drinkable now. 7542 is thoroughly not the sort of tea you drink fresh.

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Re: Stepping in pu

by shogun89 » Jun 20th, '10, 16:04

We who drink these recipe cakes new are a select few. It takes time to appreciate it. I personally love the stuff and Im sure I will love it more in the years to come. Why would you throw away a perfectly fine cake when you could stuff it somewhere and have the potential of getting something really nice? The experiment is quite interesting, however in the future if you plan on doing this again, please send the poor tea to a loving home like mine.

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Re: Stepping in pu

by nickE » Jun 20th, '10, 17:02

shogun89 wrote:We who drink these recipe cakes new are a select few. It takes time to appreciate it. I personally love the stuff and Im sure I will love it more in the years to come. Why would you throw away a perfectly fine cake when you could stuff it somewhere and have the potential of getting something really nice? The experiment is quite interesting, however in the future if you plan on doing this again, please send the poor tea to a loving home like mine.
+1

Throwing away perfectly good 7542 is sad indeed. :cry:

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Re: Stepping in pu

by spinmail » Jun 20th, '10, 17:53

I've reserved the better part of this cake just in the case the 7542 improves a few years down the line. To my palate, the 7542 is undrinkable as a young sheng (even though several tasters called it "perfection" even in its immature state).

I'll wait a few years until I can witness its transformation.

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Re: Stepping in pu

by shogun89 » Jun 20th, '10, 17:57

spinmail wrote:
I'll wait a few years until I can witness its transformation.
plan on waiting a little bit longer... say 10-20+ years :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Stepping in pu

by Proinsias » Jun 20th, '10, 18:26

Have you had any young sheng pu'er that you like, to compare this to?

You say it's barely drinkable and bitter - sounds like what most people would think when trying young sheng at first. It can take a while to build up a tolerance to the bitterness and rather overpowering nature of the tea. I prefer to drink sheng with at least a few years on it, even then friends often recoil in horror if I pass them a cup - I've been told it's like battery acid by one friend.

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Re: Stepping in pu

by spinmail » Jun 20th, '10, 19:43

The general advice re: green puerh is to wait 10 or more years until it matures. To me, that makes sense.

However, the non-standard advice is that the best way to drink young sheng is to do so however you like, because it's your tea and your taste. If you like young sheng, you can brew it at high temperatures (212F) or the temperature of green tea (140F), given that it's essentially a green tea.

My problem with young sheng at near boiling that that, to my taste, it's scorched and unpleasant; it's what happens to nearly all green teas when they're over-brewed.

I envy those with cast iron palates who are able to enjoy young sheng. To my taste, the one thing that unquestionably improves a green puerh's taste is what the tea was designed to do: long-term aging. I've had discussions with several experts, including a few who own tea stores, and they unanimously agree.

And yes, I've tried several other young sheng (including 2008 Xiaguan FT Baoyan "Mushroom Tuo" and 2007 Menghai Tea Factory "7532" ), and I haven't found the holy grail...yet.

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Re: Stepping in pu

by beachape » Jun 20th, '10, 20:33

Keep it around and it might grow on you. No reason to throw it out.

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Re: Stepping in pu

by debunix » Jun 20th, '10, 20:46

In my limited experience (didn't know a sheng from a shu 3 years ago), the key to young sheng is trying samples first. My favorite puerhs right now are all young shengs, because I have not been sufficiently impressed by the one or two samples I've had of older tea to fork over the $$$ for the serious aged stuff, especially with the high risk of counterfeiting.

They're teas from 2007-2009, they're generally not from the biggest name factories, and were bought from purveyors who selected them for being ready for drinking now, and identified them that way in their descriptions of the teas.

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Re: Stepping in pu

by TIM » Jun 21st, '10, 13:42

nickE wrote:
shogun89 wrote:We who drink these recipe cakes new are a select few. It takes time to appreciate it. I personally love the stuff and Im sure I will love it more in the years to come. Why would you throw away a perfectly fine cake when you could stuff it somewhere and have the potential of getting something really nice? The experiment is quite interesting, however in the future if you plan on doing this again, please send the poor tea to a loving home like mine.
+1

Throwing away perfectly good 7542 is sad indeed. :cry:
As a puerh aficionado or even addict for many years, that being said, this is really a waste of time and effort to convince someone whom clearly is much too young to drink puerh, both in patience and experiences wise. The interesting part were the multiple posts on similar subject... seems like someone's holding you hostage to like Pu.

1. What's the appeal of young sheng?
2. Aging puerh: diminishing returns?
3. Top picks in cooked puerh?
4. Breaking apart a raw tea cake: faster aging?
5. Raw vs cooked puerh: what gives?

As quote from Bear Bear Bear:

"spinmail wrote: My original goal was to find some reliable or consistent way of enjoying young sheng. There doesn't seem to be one.

BearBearBear: Maybe for you, there's not a way...and I'm happy to hear it! All the better for those of us who buy it young to have less price pressure! :lol:

Now you can abandon pu and focus on teas you know you like. All the better for you, too."

:roll:
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Re: Stepping in pu

by shogun89 » Jun 21st, '10, 13:45

TIM wrote:
nickE wrote:
shogun89 wrote:We who drink these recipe cakes new are a select few. It takes time to appreciate it. I personally love the stuff and Im sure I will love it more in the years to come. Why would you throw away a perfectly fine cake when you could stuff it somewhere and have the potential of getting something really nice? The experiment is quite interesting, however in the future if you plan on doing this again, please send the poor tea to a loving home like mine.
+1

Throwing away perfectly good 7542 is sad indeed. :cry:
As a puerh aficionado or even addict for many years, that being said, this is really a waste of time and effort to convince someone whom clearly is much too young to drink puerh, both in patience and experiences wise. The interesting part are the multiple posts on similar subject... seems like someone holding you hostage to like them.

1. What's the appeal of young sheng?
2. Aging puerh: diminishing returns?
3. Top picks in cooked puerh?
4. Breaking apart a raw tea cake: faster aging?
5. Raw vs cooked puerh: what gives?

As quote from Bear Bear Bear:

"spinmail wrote: My original goal was to find some reliable or consistent way of enjoying young sheng. There doesn't seem to be one.

BearBearBear: Maybe for you, there's not a way...and I'm happy to hear it! All the better for those of us who buy it young to have less price pressure! :lol:

Now you can abandon pu and focus on teas you know you like. All the better for you, too."

:roll:
Cheers mate!

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