Canisters especially for greens

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Canisters especially for greens

by sebpassion » Sep 15th, '10, 09:54

hi everybody,

i read that tea canisters made from steel are not suitable for green tea because the tea starts to oxidize.

is that right? all the canisters i find in online shops are made from stainless steel for example the ones yuuki-cha sells..

my 4 wooden bamboo canisters are nice, but i would like to have something different from them:

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what are your experiences?

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Re: canisters especially for greens

by Tead Off » Sep 15th, '10, 13:23

sebpassion wrote:hi everybody,

i read that tea canisters made from steel are not suitable for green tea because the tea starts to oxidize.

is that right? all the canisters i find in online shops are made from stainless steel for example the ones yuuki-cha sells..

my 4 wooden bamboo canisters are nice, but i would like to have something different from them:

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what are your experiences?
Green teas are usually not stored for great lengths of time out of their original bags so I'm not sure using a stainless lined cannister is such a bad idea. I use both metal and ceramic caddies but am generally drinking them as fast as I can, especially if I like the tea.

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Re: canisters especially for greens

by sebpassion » Sep 15th, '10, 13:43

thx for your reply tead off,

i knew that green tea should be used up within 2 months.
the problem is, that i bought 650g of 7 different teas and i would like to compare them over the week. but i don't wanna get into hurry to consume them so fast.

any opinions to glass-containers kept in a dark place?
maybe an alternative for storing the tea for a normal length?

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Re: canisters especially for greens

by Marco » Sep 15th, '10, 16:07

My advice: buy less ;)
Or portion - vacuumize and in the fridge.
Works fine for me.

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Marco

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Re: canisters especially for greens

by RaynBeatle » Sep 15th, '10, 16:49

I bought plenty of green tea that came in stainless steal canisters and I've had one for over a year and it doesn't taste or look any different from the day I bought it.

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Re: canisters especially for greens

by Chip » Sep 15th, '10, 17:55

sebpassion wrote:i knew that green tea should be used up within 2 months.
the problem is, that i bought 650g of 7 different teas and i would like to compare them over the week. but i don't wanna get into hurry to consume them so fast.

any opinions to glass-containers kept in a dark place?
maybe an alternative for storing the tea for a normal length?
I would advise against opening all 7 at once.

I also feel Japanese greens should be used up within 1-2 months of opening unless herioc efforts are being taken to preserve their freshness. As we approach the heating season, this will become a little less critical, but once opened, use it quickly or "share the wealth" which I do a lot of.

Glass is doable. The biggest problem with 90% of the canisters (or in this case jars) being used is they are simply TOO BIG for the job. This allows too much air exposure each and every time you open it.

For this reason, I put around half of the tea to be used in a small sample tin for everyday use (and this I then place into a Washi double lidded canister, effectively triple sealing the tea), and the rest I put into a special reserve that will NOT be opened until the first half is used up.

The reserve is triple sealed and placed back into cold storage. :shock: I have been doing this for years, and I do not advise others to do it unless they are fully prepared to go to extreme measures to protect the "opened" tea.

This may sould extreme, but we are all generally AR/OCD about something tea related, right? :mrgreen:

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Re: canisters especially for greens

by britt » Sep 15th, '10, 19:03

I think the best storage method may depend on your enviroment. I live in an area that gets very humid in the summer and I rarely use the air conditioner. Sencha in airtight metal cans goes bad very quickly. It seems like in very hot weather the tea gets cooked. I switched to 100% cherry bark caddies and the problem was resolved. I'm talking about the ones that don't have a metal liner but are cherry bark, not wood. These breath a bit, so are not 100% airtight. They were originally used to store tobacco and later adapted to tea storage. They've worked perfectly for me.

I have not had this issue with Chinese or Taiwanese green teas so I still use metal storage cans for those.

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Re: canisters especially for greens

by Oni » Sep 16th, '10, 02:21

I think 3 person can consume 400 grams of japanese tea a month, drinking it on a daily basis.
I read on artisticnippon, that the ideal storing of japanese green tea is in a cherry bark double lided canister, because the cherry bark is not laquered on the inside and it has the property of drawing away moisture, back in the days they used to store cigars in cherry bark boxes, my old furniture has cherry bark on the inside so it can keep my clothes dry, I even saw an old teamaster storing his precious hand rolled tea in such a canister, one of my friends stored his Marukyu Koyamae Chitose No Homare gyokuro in such a canister, Horaido teashop sells these canisters also, the only drawback is the high price.
If some of you own such a canister, tell us your experience, I would glady invest in such a teaware if I were to try out very high quality japanese greens.

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by debunix » Sep 16th, '10, 03:32

Reminded here of one of those hand-made tea rubbing videos that showed the tea master storing the finished tea inside a container (now can't remember box or bag?), inside another box filled with a cheaper grade of green tea; or in another video, one showing a container of the precious tea stored in a large canister filled with rice.

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Re: canisters especially for greens

by Oni » Sep 16th, '10, 09:19

Yes I am refering to that one certain video, and I also read something about how they used to make kuradashi tea for the shogun, that was stored in a special way too, but I cannot recall the details.

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Re: canisters especially for greens

by Tead Off » Sep 16th, '10, 14:31

RaynBeatle wrote:I bought plenty of green tea that came in stainless steal canisters and I've had one for over a year and it doesn't taste or look any different from the day I bought it.
Nothing stays the same. Plus, it would be impossible to remember exactly what it tasted like the day you bought it. :D

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Re: canisters especially for greens

by Ambrose » Sep 16th, '10, 16:15

Ahh man now im interested in one :D

I wonder if this would be good for me since I live in a high humidity area.

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Re: canisters especially for greens

by britt » Sep 17th, '10, 14:43

Ambrose wrote:Ahh man now im interested in one :D

I wonder if this would be good for me since I live in a high humidity area.
I had serious doubts about the cherry bark caddies because they aren't airtight, but my doubts were unfounded. I agree with what Oni said about the moisture or humidity being released through the bark. This can't happen in airtight metal caddies.

I do highly recommend them for storing sencha or gyokuro in humid climates. They're expensive, about $70 for one that holds 100 grams of sencha, but the tea I ruined before I used them was also expensive.

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Re: canisters especially for greens

by Ambrose » Sep 18th, '10, 03:35

Definitely on next to buy list :D I remember Mr Akira Hojo wrote me about that moisture is the main culprit to green teas going bad. I have a friend that is in to cigars and assumes that this kind of tea container would keep the tea more crisp in flavor. I also wrote artistic nippon, I was told that in cherry bark tin its best to consume in one or two weeks. For longer storage they said to use a metal tin. I finish about 100 grams a week of sencha a week so this would be perfect. :mrgreen:

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Re: canisters especially for greens

by tortoise » Sep 18th, '10, 18:53

I have a cherry bark canister that I bought in japan about 10 years ago and it's an excellent vessel for storage. Here's the thing: I KNOW I didn't pay 70 bucks for it. There is no way. I was, at the time, a bohemian vagabond with a 25 dollar a day per diem on a performance contract. I cannot believe those things are worth 70 dollars.

They are available from teavana, in the states no less for 25 bucks. Are these the same thing? The look the same to me.
http://www.teavana.com/Tea-Products/Tea ... nister.axd
http://www.teavana.com/Tea-Products/Tea ... nister.axd

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