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Whats kind of tea pot is this??(clay)

by Grubby » Aug 14th, '08, 18:18

Can anyone gues any info on a pot like this?

All i know its supposedly from 60's and i only paid 25$ for it so you don't have to sugar coat it if its rubbish :) I don't even know what country its made in.

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by chamekke » Aug 14th, '08, 19:29

An Asian origin, I assume. And I'm guessing, from the location of the vent hole, that this pot may be Chinese. The shape of the pot and the composition of the handle do not seem to me to be typical of Japanese pots, so, another argument for a Chinese origin.

But it's just a guess, and I am irresolute...
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by Space Samurai » Aug 14th, '08, 22:39

I'd say its Chinese as well; the clay looks like yixing to me, but I'm not an expert on yixing. I've seen that style of handle called a Dobin before...

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by Salsero » Aug 14th, '08, 22:50

If it's Chinese and from the sixties, I think that makes it a cultural revolution pot and at least a little more valuable than a new one. It looks like quite nice clay. The handle is very unusual in my experience, but I wouldn't disparage it.

However old it is or wherever is comes from, it looks like a nice pot and (at least) reasonably priced at $25. How did you acquire it?

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by Grubby » Aug 15th, '08, 08:11

I bought it in some danish antiquity shop online where most of the stuff was priced 20-40$. It's actually not impossible it was made in Denmark in the 60'ies but i don't know if that kind of teapots were ever made in Denmark.
It's also supposed to have some kind of clay filter, but i don't know if its a removable one. Nevertheless, i am definitely looking forward to making some tea with it :)

This is the site if youre curios:
http://antiktak.dk

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by hop_goblin » Aug 15th, '08, 08:52

It is Chinese. Possibliy Yixing of zhisha clay and made as a water kettle or camp kettle. I believe it is just your ordinary industrial Hongni that screams newer piece. I do not believe it is 60s' but a contemporary piece and not a special one at that. If you look closely, you will notice that the bamboo handle is tied with string . 1. the string is very new, 2. I have never seen a 60s piece that used string to tie the handle to the pot. 60s pieces were generally made to be used as the yixing craze of Taiwan had not hit yet. As such, they would of made a kettle to be functional and would of used wire or something much more resilient to decay since it would of been intended to be used. Of course it could of been a new add on, but if you look closely at the handle clay loops on the pot, there is no sign of wear. It looks like a product to be sold to tourist possibly a couple of years old.
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by chrl42 » Aug 15th, '08, 08:59

That pot is Duan Bao(egg wrapper?) Hu.
It's one of traditional pattern from probably Ming dynasty oldest form I found is by Si Da Bin(1573~1648)'s..

Mmm..from 60's at 20 bucks the seller had a quite general mind.

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by Chip » Aug 15th, '08, 13:17

Wow, great find! Congrats!

What is the inside of the pot like? As in heavily used? Where is the clay filter?
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by britt » Aug 17th, '08, 18:23

Are there any artist or factory stamps on the pot? Usually they're found on the bottom of the pot and inside the lid. Then, of course, you need to find someone who can read them. Stamps can also be faked, but they usually provide some useful info.

This looks like a Chinese pot with a Japanese handle, which is certainly possible if someone needed to replace the handle. This type of handle can be purchased online.

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by Grubby » Aug 20th, '08, 13:00

The clay infusor is broken! :( I don't know if this was during the transport or if it already was this way, but i am seriosly bummed about it because its a wonderful clay infusor, and clearly part of the original pot.

It's the kind that goes in the top of the pot and you fill it with leaves, but this is the first time ive seen such a thing in clay and the volume is quite large.
It's still useable but it has two big 2 cm chips in the top :(
Because of this filter im not sure it was used as a kettle. At least it was a combined kettle / teapot.

The actual teapot is in much better shape, some minor scratches at the bottom.
And the inside of the teapot is quite dirty, but i think this can be more or less salvaged.

I would like to know what kind of solution you "experts" (at least compared to me) use to clean old yixing pots with?

Also from this layer it would seem to me that the pot is at least 5 years old (but i could be wrong). It is also possible that it is actually 60 years old, after all that was what the vendor described it as, and i think its at least POSSIBLE that they weren't lying ;)

About the handle i tihnk you are right that its a substitute, it doesn't seem like a part of the original pot.

All in all im very happy about this pot, but im also quite disappointed about the filter.

There is stamp on bottom of lid and pot, but i don't know what they mean.

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by betta » Aug 20th, '08, 13:49

Grubby, earthenwares are available almost throughout the world and it's too early to determine whether it is yixing clay without handling the real piece. However it's way too difficult to judge from pictures especially the clay has this texture and color.
I've been in south east asia and south asia and I've met similar pots. What I found is rather larger than 2L pot made of the local clay. The local people call it 'stiff clay'.
It has an insulation effect which keeps the water cool during summer. As an earthenware, the local people also claim that the water stored in the pot 'smells better' than tap water because it absorbes some chemicals in water.
Please bear in mind that clean and good tap water isn't distributed evenly in those area, so people use these earthenwares to store water.

I'm no expert in this field, but if the pot is very large and heavy after filled with water, the normal way to pour the water would be by tipping it instead of lifting it, so you should look for signs at the bottom of the pot where the point of stress causes some wear signs. More signs = more use --> could be (but not must be) old

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by Grubby » Aug 20th, '08, 14:16

yeah youre right its hard to tell, but maybe the stamps provide a clue? Did the pots u saw have stamps on them?
Theyre in chinese symbols (but ofcourse those are also used in other asian countries)

In size i think its about 2 L when filled to the brim. Its definitely a large pot.

Also remember to read what i wrote about the filter - this is definitely a pot made for tea or at least herbal infusions.

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by betta » Aug 20th, '08, 14:32

Grubby wrote:yeah youre right its hard to tell, but maybe the stamps provide a clue? Did the pots u saw have stamps on them?
Theyre in chinese symbols (but ofcourse those are also used in other asian countries)

In size i think its about 2 L when filled to the brim. Its definitely a large pot.

Also remember to read what i wrote about the filter - this is definitely a pot made for tea or at least herbal infusions.
The pots I saw don't have any stamp moreover they're merely for storing water.
You mentioned about brewing tea which I haven't seen before using such a large pot.
The chinese people tend to use smaller up to 750 mL pot to brew tea. Large yixing pot is used for daily living in rural area. The stamp might be the sign that it is zini. Better to get more info from native chinese.

The possibility to use other earthenware to brew tea is also normal. In guangdong china, there's a local clay called teochew clay, is also an earthenware used for brewing tea.
Probably you can find a stainless steel strainer as a substitute for the broken one.
In any case it is a nice pot :D

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by Grubby » Aug 20th, '08, 14:49

Even though the filter is broken its still functional, so i don't need a new one, but i probably need to be careful with it.

And yeah even though this teapot probably isn't worth a lot its definitely an interesting piece :) It should be good with my black teas.

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by betta » Aug 20th, '08, 14:54

Grubby wrote: And yeah even though this teapot probably isn't worth a lot its definitely an interesting piece :) It should be good with my black teas.
Yes, in fact I'm looking for one rather larger pot as well.. I prefer tetsubin but haven't decided :wink:

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