Success with Shui Xian in a Gaiwan

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Success with Shui Xian in a Gaiwan

by Herb_Master » Dec 30th, '08, 13:17

Well, I have lost my Gaiwan virginity, and it is/was a very pleasant experience.

The comments from Abx and Salsero have fired up my enthusiasm - so despite the postman delivering an exciting new 'Supreme+ Ti Guan Yin' - straight from the farm! My next brew was always going to be with a Gaiwan - and I did not want trial and ERROR with something special.

I am delving into Gaiwans to try and get even more from my DanCongs than the extremely favourable results I am currently achieving with Yixing pots. But the 'Yellow Leaf' leaves are long, and I wanted to experiment with something smaller, and less valuable to me.

I chose my TeaCuppa Shui Xian which I have had moderately successful results with before, but nothing to write home about.

2.5 Grams in a 95ml Gaiwan - with Garish Yellow dragons on a deep blue background, but a pleasant pale aqua blue interior.

1st Infusion - water just off the boil for 15 seconds and lifting all in one hand poured into a small yixing style faircup/pitcher this was easier than I anticipated - standing up near the kitchen sink, in case of problems. Nudged the lid with my free hand poured effortlessly into the pitcher. Only slight issue were acouple of bits of broken leaf made their way along with the tea.

Drinking from a Fencai bowl, one of a set of many that I got from TeaCuppa. Not unpleasant but very weak.

No heat problems at all with Gaiwan or pitcher NONE at all. The Fencai cup was rather hot though as I tasted the first bowl. I then recalled that the videos and demo descriptions wax on about cradling the yixing with one hand and stirring the brew (courtesy of the lid) with the other - I had done none of that - did this account for the weakness? It certainly helped explain my hand having no problems with the heat.

2nd Infusion- water a second or two longer off the boil 33 seconds. I was going for 30 but was late, too preoccupied with
a) trying to stir with the lid
b) remembering to try the lid less ajar while pouring to prevent any leaf loss.
But there was little point in stirring the leaves were all at the bottom, is the heat problem more likely with Green Tea when the leaves float and you HAVE to stir?
The lid ended in the perfect position, a clean quickish pour with no escapees at all.
The brew itself was uplifting - fragrance I have never found in Shui Xian before and a wonderful taste - not mellow and bland as from my Yixing pot, but fruity and floral with a good body. Shui Xian is worth persevering with, thank you TeaCuppa, sorry that I doubted it.

3rd Infusion- water as before 52 seconds.
This time I got the lid too tight, the pour was very sparse, but it was no effort at all to ease it back with my free hand and complete the pour as in the 2nd Infusion.
Same great taste and fragrance.

Now I recall that with my Yixing I always do a wash/rinse - and forgot this time :D - so the first infusion was actually the wash! When the leaves were awake it all went well. I need to rig another set up, so that I can have the kettle by a comfortable table and chair. I am going to do this many more times and NOT standing by the kitchen sink.

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by thanks » Dec 30th, '08, 13:47

Gaiwans are great. For yancha I'm always hesitant to use them though, I still have nerve endings in my fingertips!

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by gingkoseto » Dec 30th, '08, 14:23

thanks wrote:Gaiwans are great. For yancha I'm always hesitant to use them though, I still have nerve endings in my fingertips!
I feel the same way and generally use my gaiwan for green tea only. But meantime, I start to fear it less using gaiwan for oolong. I found thinner gaiwan not as killing as I had thought, especially the kind with rim curling outward. Maybe it's because thinner gainwan doesn't trap as much heat as thicker ones. Or maybe I didn't pre-heat my gaiwan thoroughly, out of fear :twisted:
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by ABx » Dec 30th, '08, 14:41

Excellent :) Great experiment - I'll have to try TeaCuppa's SX in a thinner gaiwan as well.

I generally use a yixing pot for yancha, but a gaiwan will bring out more aroma (but less deep notes).

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by Herb_Master » Dec 30th, '08, 15:06

ABx wrote:Excellent :) Great experiment - I'll have to try TeaCuppa's SX in a thinner gaiwan as well.

I generally use a yixing pot for yancha, but a gaiwan will bring out more aroma (but less deep notes).
Certainly threw a new light on the Shui Xian, am shortly to try a Fenghuang DC - don't know whether to try my 200ml Gaiwan (it feels like it has thinner walls than my circa 100ml Gaiwans) Don't know whether to go straight for the Yellow Leaf or try it first with 8 Immortals, Honey Orchid, Almond, Magnolia ?mmmmn! choices.
And after the Yellow Leaf I have a Big Dark Leaf waiting to be opened!
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by thanks » Dec 30th, '08, 15:09

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ABx wrote:Excellent :) Great experiment - I'll have to try TeaCuppa's SX in a thinner gaiwan as well.

I generally use a yixing pot for yancha, but a gaiwan will bring out more aroma (but less deep notes).
Certainly threw a new light on the Shui Xian, am shortly to try a Fenghuang DC - don't know whether to try my 200ml Gaiwan (it feels like it has thinner walls than my circa 100ml Gaiwans) Don't know whether to go straight for the Yellow Leaf or try it first with 8 Immortals, Honey Orchid, Almond, Magnolia ?mmmmn! choices.
And after the Yellow Leaf I have a Big Dark Leaf waiting to be opened!
Are you referring to the Da Wu Ye from DTH? If so please post notes, I have 100g on the way.

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by Herb_Master » Dec 30th, '08, 15:16

thanks wrote: Are you referring to the Da Wu Ye from DTH? If so please post notes, I have 100g on the way.
Sorry, I did not mean to tease you but the other's are already open, and I want to clear a few items before opening many more. I have a TGY that is screaming to be opened and several dust gathering samples I need to identify and finish before I open too many more.

Maybe by the time yours arrives, I will be ready to open it and compare notes - If I move fast on the others.
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by Bubba_tea » Dec 30th, '08, 15:45

I'm still fresh - but I've been getting lots of bits and pieces of tea here and there - and seem to like the gaiwan for the 'full flavor' and use the yixing for a 'rounded flavor'. I think it seems to mellow / round off the edges of the brew.

Many people here also say that the yixing is better for 'heat retention' which means that it should hold a higher heat for longer than the gaiwan, but if you're doing short infusions, I don't think that quality of the yixing matters.

I still don't understand the impact of a high heat for long time on the ending brew vs. high heat cooling more rapidly than a yixing on the brew - but someone more knowledgeable might chime in.

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by Herb_Master » Dec 30th, '08, 15:50

Bubba_tea wrote: I still don't understand the impact of a high heat for long time on the ending brew vs. high heat cooling more rapidly than a yixing on the brew - but someone more knowledgeable might chime in.
Bubba I am as perplexed as you about that - but I am too near the start of the learning curve to let it worry me just now. Acouple of more months and 100 brewing sessions with a Gaiwan and I will probably pay it a lot more attention.

Thanks for your ideas on more full bodied Oolongs that need rounding off - I sure want to carry on using all those Yixings that I have bought!
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by tenuki » Dec 30th, '08, 21:54

I drink Shui Xian very differently.

boiling water, packed gaiwan, I mean packed, very short infusions at first, then lengthen according to how the taste is developing, flash, flash, flash, variable onward.

You can see what I mean about packed if you follow my website www link at the bottom of this post or in my profile. That tea i'm gardening to is actually a Shui Xian btw. I once weighed the amount of Shui Xian I put in my 90ml gaiwan : it was almost 8 grams... I have been led to believe by people in the industry who regularly visit the region this tea is produced that this is how the natives drink it. regardless, after some experimentation, for me it produces the best results and I would encourage you to try it and see what it does for you.

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by Salsero » Dec 30th, '08, 22:35

tenuki wrote: boiling water, packed gaiwan, I mean packed, very short infusions at first, then lengthen according to how the taste is developing, flash, flash, flash, variable onward.
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by Herb_Master » Dec 31st, '08, 12:13

tenuki wrote:I drink Shui Xian very differently.

boiling water, packed gaiwan, I mean packed, very short infusions at first, then lengthen according to how the taste is developing, flash, flash, flash, variable onward.

You can see what I mean about packed if you follow my website www link at the bottom of this post or in my profile. That tea i'm gardening to is actually a Shui Xian btw. I once weighed the amount of Shui Xian I put in my 90ml gaiwan : it was almost 8 grams... I have been led to believe by people in the industry who regularly visit the region this tea is produced that this is how the natives drink it. regardless, after some experimentation, for me it produces the best results and I would encourage you to try it and see what it does for you.
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So many teas to try so many styles to consider
I had been reading on a chinese provincial / government style sponsored travel and culture site (which I did not bookmark and now cannot find) that the locals preferred a much stronger brew (of their own local tea) than visitors from other parts of China. When I mentioned it on another blog it was met with little enthusiasm / credence. Perhaps you are pointing me in the direction of what the site is referring to. I am fairly certain it was Chao Zhou culture. They of course have 3 grades of Tea, Dan Cong, lao/lang Cai and Shui Xian perhaps this is the way they drink Shui Xian.

I note however that you include lots of flash steeps so maybe not quite as strong and dark as some of the locals like. I will search out your references and move this higher up my 'to do' list. Thanks

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by Herb_Master » Dec 31st, '08, 12:25

Herb_Master wrote:
tenuki wrote:I drink Shui Xian very differently.

boiling water, packed gaiwan, I mean packed, very short infusions at first, then lengthen according to how the taste is developing, flash, flash, flash, variable onward.

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I note however that you include lots of flash steeps so maybe not quite as strong and dark as some of the locals like. I will search out your references and move this higher up my 'to do' list. Thanks
Yes, if you read Lydia's comments on my Unknown Tea post, she says the locals fill the Gaiwan to the top and give the first infusion 1-2 minutes.

I may try this also, no MUST try it - but with some temerity.

Has anyone tried it this way?
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by gingkoseto » Dec 31st, '08, 12:32

Herb_Master wrote:
Herb_Master wrote:
tenuki wrote:I drink Shui Xian very differently.

boiling water, packed gaiwan, I mean packed, very short infusions at first, then lengthen according to how the taste is developing, flash, flash, flash, variable onward.

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I note however that you include lots of flash steeps so maybe not quite as strong and dark as some of the locals like. I will search out your references and move this higher up my 'to do' list. Thanks
Yes, if you read Lydia's comments on my Unknown Tea post, she says the locals fill the Gaiwan to the top and give the first infusion 1-2 minutes.

I may try this also, no MUST try it - but with some temerity.

Has anyone tried it this way?
Minutes? You're sure it's not "seconds"?
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by Salsero » Dec 31st, '08, 12:37

gingko wrote: Minutes? You're sure it's not "seconds"?
Minutes sounds lethal! :lol: ...but who knows. I would exhibit some temerity also!

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