Review of Yuannian 8848 Summit Tea

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Review of Yuannian 8848 Summit Tea

by Drax » Feb 23rd, '09, 20:55

Here's my review of the Yuannian 8848 Summit Tea, a green pu-erh tea. YSLLC sells this cake here for 11.00 before discounts and before shipping. Or Puer Shop sells it here for 12.99 also before shipping.

This tea is stone pressed and apparently from the Yi Wu area of Banna. I don't believe that I've had a Banna pu-erh before.

The Puer Shop mentions that the Yuannian website recommends a higher leaf amount and longer steeping time than "normal" for this tea. Accordingly, I brewed 8 grams in a "Da Hong Pao" yixing pot with about 4.5 oz of water @ boiling.

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It's okay, monkey! You can look... it's a beautiful cake.

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The beeng has a very light scent and large leaves across the surface. The vendor notes say it is stone pressed, and you can definitely tell there's a lighter compression -- it's easy to pull apart by hand. It has a light sheng smell, typical of pu-erh.

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I rinsed the leaves for 20 seconds and discarded it (okay, I did take a tiny sip... but it was much weaker than what would follow). My first infusion was for 20 seconds, and you can see the results in the picture above. The tea had a medium yellow color with a twinge of amber. Its aroma was what I've come to associate as a typical green sheng, with maybe a hint of smokiness? I have to admit here, there are qualities of odor and flavor that sometimes I easily mix up. Meanwhile, the taste was nice and strong, a typical young sheng, from my limited experience. I thought I could tell some smokiness or perhaps it is something else I confuse w/ smokiness.

I then got 7 more infusions from it (8 total) at times of 30s, 30s, 30s, 30s, 60s, 60s, 90s. I could have taken it much further.

By the 4th infusion, the amber twinge had left, leaving a still solid medium yellow tea. The astringency really ramped up by the second and third cup, and I had the usual mouth-draw/astringent/dryness mixture. By the 5th cup, I was feeling a bit buzzy, which normally I don't notice. I admit here that I was really dragging before I had tried this tea, and right now, I'm feeling quite peppy. In fact, now I'm a little worried about getting to sleep. I should further note that I don't normally notice this type of effect in tea...

By the 8th cup, I was still getting a solid cup of tea, with a good sheng flavor and a persisting dryness/astringency. I'm sure I could have taken it another 4 or 5 cups. Here's a picture of the last cup with some of the leaves (one was enormous):

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In the end, I can't say that I tasted anything "new" with this tea, but it certainly gave me an enjoyable series of cups. I would have to track down pu-erh that I've had with similar flavor profiles and do side-by-side testing to see if I could taste any difference. But all-in-all, I rather enjoyed it, and I will be very interested to see how this one ages.

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by shogun89 » Feb 23rd, '09, 21:04

Excellent review Drax, Especially with all the pictures. I'm always up for some tea porn. I will probably pick up a cake, looks good.

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by tony shlongini » Feb 24th, '09, 08:05

I didn't get any of that. I found it to be flat, weak, and lacking in almost every way. An example of all hype, no substance, in my case, at least.

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by hop_goblin » Feb 24th, '09, 15:41

They recommend more leaf and longer steaping time becaues they know its an inferior tea. Some of you will find that your 10USD teas in 10 years are still worth the same. There needs to be WAY more discrimnation when purchasing. There is no such thing as a diamond in the rough in the pu game. And if your taste tells you that a 10USD beeng, tuocha, zhuncha, or what have maybe worth the time investment I am afraid you need to do more research both in tasting and in tea literature because frankly, it just doesnt happen - not these days. Sorry, just the way it is.

Hobbes in his latest post summed it up nicely "I'm slightly disconcerted by the $10 price tag (Yunnan Sourcing), which is often indicative that one shouldn't expect too much. As the old saying goes, paying lots is not a guarantee of quality, but you can be sure that if you're paying little, you're getting lower quality."



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by thanks » Feb 24th, '09, 15:45

hop_goblin wrote:They recommend more leaf and longer steaping time becaues they know its an inferior tea. Some of you will find that your 10USD teas in 10 years are still worth the same. There needs to be WAY more discrimnation when purchasing. There is no such thing as a diamond in the rough in the pu game. And if your taste tells you that a 10USD beeng, tuocha, zhuncha, or what have maybe worth the time investment I am afraid you need to do more research both in tasting and in tea literature because frankly, it just doesnt happen - not these days. Sorry, just the way it is.

Hobbes in his latest post summed it up nicely "I'm slightly disconcerted by the $10 price tag (Yunnan Sourcing), which is often indicative that one shouldn't expect too much. As the old saying goes, paying lots is not a guarantee of quality, but you can be sure that if you're paying little, you're getting lower quality."



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Not always.

See; Nanjian, Menghai Dayi, Xiaguan, CNNP, Mengku etc.

Or rather, are you just talking about newer companies? Haiwan, Boyou, Yibang Chamasi, etc.

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by hop_goblin » Feb 24th, '09, 15:49

thanks wrote:
hop_goblin wrote:They recommend more leaf and longer steaping time becaues they know its an inferior tea. Some of you will find that your 10USD teas in 10 years are still worth the same. There needs to be WAY more discrimnation when purchasing. There is no such thing as a diamond in the rough in the pu game. And if your taste tells you that a 10USD beeng, tuocha, zhuncha, or what have maybe worth the time investment I am afraid you need to do more research both in tasting and in tea literature because frankly, it just doesnt happen - not these days. Sorry, just the way it is.

Hobbes in his latest post summed it up nicely "I'm slightly disconcerted by the $10 price tag (Yunnan Sourcing), which is often indicative that one shouldn't expect too much. As the old saying goes, paying lots is not a guarantee of quality, but you can be sure that if you're paying little, you're getting lower quality."




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Not always.

See; Nanjian, Menghai Dayi, Xiaguan, CNNP, Mengku etc.

Or rather, are you just talking about newer companies? Haiwan, Boyou, Yibang Chamasi, etc.
There are always exceptions to the rules.. Yes, I am familar with Dayi an Xiaguan 'economy' line. Let's not forget, that these big factories generally own their own plantations, so they can absorb the cost. Oh, and I dont like everything these big boys of pu produce either. Just like those Xiaguan bricks people are talking about.. they are not even meant for aging. They are made for the tibetan market. This is not to say that they wont age.. everything ages.. however, I will not invest time and space to for something that will be avg or even below avg in 15 years. This is not to suggest that I dont have any future 'everyday drinkers' but I have plenty of that stuff in my closet. Those who just started collecting will be unpleasantly suprised in the far future if they dont know how to be more discrimnative. But then again its all relative. :D But these fly by night factories that some are in favor of , well that is a different story.. Trust me, they wont be around for long. Btw CNNP is not a factory and Haiwan has been around for decades.
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by thanks » Feb 24th, '09, 15:57

I just don't get why you're getting worked up that some people are enjoying releases put out by companies that aren't named Xi Zi Hao or Bai Cha Tang. If someone enjoys a cheaper pu'er, then great! That means less money is spent on their obsession than someone with more discriminating tastes. Personally I've stuck to big factory stuff in 08 with a few smaller- but trusted releases.

To each his own.

P.s. I know CNNP is not a factory, but it is a label and I don't feel like looking up every company that's released stuff through CNNP.

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by hop_goblin » Feb 24th, '09, 16:03

thanks wrote:I just don't get why you're getting worked up that some people are enjoying releases put out by companies that aren't named Xi Zi Hao or Bai Cha Tang. If someone enjoys a cheaper pu'er, then great! That means less money is spent on their obsession than someone with more discriminating tastes. Personally I've stuck to big factory stuff in 08 with a few smaller- but trusted releases.

To each his own.

P.s. I know CNNP is not a factory, but it is a label and I don't feel like looking up every company that's released stuff through CNNP.
Thanks, I am just suggesting that people need to be more discrimnative. yes, to each their own. I am just trying to help. And as for XiZhi Hao, I am not too happy with their recent offerning either. I am far from being an expert but I have been in the pu game a lot longer than some on Tchat. And I am not claiming that I have all of the answers. However, I read some of the pu threads and I just get frustrated at all of the misinformation that is being dissiminated. I try to be an ambassador for pu every chance I get as I believe it is truly a wondeful hobby. However with some of the information that as been provided as of late really will set up noobs for failure. My two cents Find out the facts or the general consensus before people intend to speak with authority to noobs. Oh, and I know that just because I have a blog doesnt give me authority either. however,l what I try to do is vet my information and double check before I make suggestions

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by thanks » Feb 24th, '09, 16:20

I agree with you on your point completely. After a couple of years of tasting after tasting you kind of get a better feel of what to look for. I mean I've got a bunch of stuff I bought when I was just starting out that now I think is worthless, and I'm sure I'm still going to buy things that years later I will find worthless, but that's learning.

I also agree Xi Zi Hao has been lackluster lately, and that I also don't agree with Baoyan bricks as being "top-shelf", but I personally have enjoyed it aged 8 years as a simple straightforward pleasure.

At the same time, you have to remember that some people drink pu'er young, and aren't looking to invest time and money into something that will one day be ready to drink like you and I. Even then, we're taking the biggest gamble of all. Which is why I responded to your post in the first place when I was saying to each his own. Sometimes I wish I had never tried good older pu'er, to be ignorant of how wonderful the aged stuff is, but I don't think I could "untaste" it given the chance haha. Plus, people will learn, we all pay tuitions, and we all learn at least a few good hard-earned lessons. I'm sure I have tons more ahead of me.

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by hop_goblin » Feb 24th, '09, 16:42

thanks wrote:I agree with you on your point completely. After a couple of years of tasting after tasting you kind of get a better feel of what to look for. I mean I've got a bunch of stuff I bought when I was just starting out that now I think is worthless, and I'm sure I'm still going to buy things that years later I will find worthless, but that's learning.

I also agree Xi Zi Hao has been lackluster lately, and that I also don't agree with Baoyan bricks as being "top-shelf", but I personally have enjoyed it aged 8 years as a simple straightforward pleasure.

At the same time, you have to remember that some people drink pu'er young, and aren't looking to invest time and money into something that will one day be ready to drink like you and I. Even then, we're taking the biggest gamble of all. Which is why I responded to your post in the first place when I was saying to each his own. Sometimes I wish I had never tried good older pu'er, to be ignorant of how wonderful the aged stuff is, but I don't think I could "untaste" it given the chance haha. Plus, people will learn, we all pay tuitions, and we all learn at least a few good hard-earned lessons. I'm sure I have tons more ahead of me.
Thanks point well taken. WHY DID THE GODS CURSE US WITH THE LOVE OF PU! :lol:

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by Drax » Feb 24th, '09, 18:03

Wow, all of this discussion out of one innocent (or so I thought) review. And it's funny to re-read what I wrote, because I thought I pretty adequately stated my inexperience and uncertainty. I mean, I'm posting here and not on my own blog, pretending that I actually know what I'm talking about.

But sarcasm aside, I admit that I'm pretty torn with this discussion. Because on one hand, I already know that I have a lot to learn and experience in the realm of tea in general. But on the other hand, I walk away from this thread with the message "Drax, you're an ignorant moron. Why would you ever post your experiences again?"

Oddly, I can accept that judgment, because as I already mentioned, I know I have a lot to learn in this area, and I can press on. But the part that tears me up is the message that other people (especially new people) will take away from this experience. I can't imagine that anybody new is going to want to ask questions or post their experiences if the best they can be told is "You need to be more discriminating." How does that encourage people? How does that help them get better?

"Break, break" (which means a switch in subject)
thanks wrote:I agree with you on your point completely. After a couple of years of tasting after tasting you kind of get a better feel of what to look for. I mean I've got a bunch of stuff I bought when I was just starting out that now I think is worthless, and I'm sure I'm still going to buy things that years later I will find worthless, but that's learning.

I also agree Xi Zi Hao has been lackluster lately, and that I also don't agree with Baoyan bricks as being "top-shelf", but I personally have enjoyed it aged 8 years as a simple straightforward pleasure.

At the same time, you have to remember that some people drink pu'er young, and aren't looking to invest time and money into something that will one day be ready to drink like you and I. Even then, we're taking the biggest gamble of all. Which is why I responded to your post in the first place when I was saying to each his own. Sometimes I wish I had never tried good older pu'er, to be ignorant of how wonderful the aged stuff is, but I don't think I could "untaste" it given the chance haha. Plus, people will learn, we all pay tuitions, and we all learn at least a few good hard-earned lessons. I'm sure I have tons more ahead of me.
Thank you very much thanks for making the admission of being human and reminding me that we learn and that we can and will make mistakes, certainly early on, but even with all our accumulated experience. It may not be physical encouragement, but it certainly is morale encouragement. I hope newbies can key in on that.

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by puerhking » Feb 24th, '09, 18:25

I think what hop is saying is that no one else can make the same mistakes he did early on...without him letting them know what a big mistake they are making.

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by shogun89 » Feb 24th, '09, 18:45

I agree with puerhking. Drax, no one on here is out to put you down or say that your thoughts are wrong. All Hop is trying to say is be careful or you may end up making some mistakes that you will regret down the road. And by "you" I am referring to all of us. We are all noobs here in the world of puerh and we will make mistakes and learn from them. So please do not get discouraged and keep on posting! :D

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by Salsero » Feb 24th, '09, 19:19

shogun89 wrote: I agree with puerhking. Drax, no one on here is out to put you down or say that your thoughts are wrong.
I think PK and The General are absolutely right, Drax. I love your enthusiasm and would be very sorry to see your voice in any way muffled due to self-consciousness. I don't think that's what Hop meant at all.

BREAK BREAK --again

Now that you two bad boys, Hop and Thanks, have worked out whatever you were working out, what price range is the sweet spot? At least the sweet spot for Gwai Louh like us, paying non-Chinese prices. And are there any guidelines that you can suggest for the rest of us. Some of the best tea I have had has been Xiaguan, Menghai, and Hai Lang Hao, and at least the first two have generally been inexpensive.

What really irks me is that it is just as easy to pay top dollar for something boring as it is to get something boring for few dollars! The price/quality proposition is not at all clear cut.

Hop, I know you have said the Mengku, Mengyang Guoyan, and Changtai are reliable companies, but I have had some Mengku and Mengyang Guoyan products that have struck me as too bland to age and Changtai ... well, I hardly ever see their products.

In a recent post, Hobbes seemed to suggest that our regular internet suppliers may just not have the best stuff and we may be better off buying from boutique vendors, specifically he mentions Nada.

What think you two of that?

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