Apr 21st, '09, 19:50
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Looking for a kettle

by jlheng » Apr 21st, '09, 19:50

Does anyone own one of these?
http://shop.luhyutea.com/product.sc?cat ... oductId=61

What's your take?

I prefer not to get an electric kettle. I already have an electric hotplate/stove that I plan to use. What will help improve water quality/taste?

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by MarshalN » Apr 21st, '09, 21:06

That might work, as will a tetsubin of the unlined variety.

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by Oni » Apr 22nd, '09, 01:29

It looks similar to Lin`s kettles, but I am not sure, I saw the same kettle on imperialtea.com, but if you buy an unglazed earthenware kettle in hope for it to change the taste of water and improve your gong fu, I`d make sure it is purion, at least purion was made with gong fu in mind and tested to be ideal for puerh, on the other hand the japanese tetsubin as I read is not suitable for every kind of tea, and those nanbu kettles, the good ones are expencieve, usually twice the price of a purion kettle.

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by MarshalN » Apr 22nd, '09, 01:54

I still think Hojo's claim about it not being suitable for puerh is utterly bogus, as confirmed every day by my own brewing and repeated testing.

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by Oni » Apr 22nd, '09, 02:13

Hojo says it is not good for young sheng puerh, it is good for cooked, and aged puerh, although I have no experience with tetsubin, but eventually I will buy one.

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by MarshalN » Apr 22nd, '09, 02:17

I know, and I make my young sheng puerh with it, with great results.

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by Tead Off » Apr 22nd, '09, 11:40

MarshalN wrote:I know, and I make my young sheng puerh with it, with great results.
The Puerh I tasted in his shop made with tetsubin water was the best I've ever had. I never new Puerh could be that good. It was comparable to discovering high grade oolong after having only tea bags for a good part of my life.

I think we all have to test the words of the 'experts'. I'm sure we all don't experience things in the same way.

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by Tead Off » Apr 22nd, '09, 11:52

Oni wrote:It looks similar to Lin`s kettles, but I am not sure, I saw the same kettle on imperialtea.com, but if you buy an unglazed earthenware kettle in hope for it to change the taste of water and improve your gong fu, I`d make sure it is purion, at least purion was made with gong fu in mind and tested to be ideal for puerh, on the other hand the japanese tetsubin as I read is not suitable for every kind of tea, and those nanbu kettles, the good ones are expencieve, usually twice the price of a purion kettle.
I've been talking to the Purion people lately asking them about the content of their clay. They are vague with their answers but told me 5-10% iron content. Iron is what seems to change the taste of water from what I can understand. But, iron needs to be put in a reduction environment to acheive the ability to change the water. This is the process that tetsubin, bankoyaki, and, purple clay from yixing are put through. From what I can tell, the Purion pots are not reduced but I'm not sure as I cannot get any real info out of these people.

Maybe the OP can buy an inexpensive tetsubin that is unlined to use on his electric hotplate. Are the inexpensive ones unlined and reduced? anyone?

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by jlheng » Apr 23rd, '09, 07:52

I asked customer service about their pot. I thought their reply was helpful:

The glazed black clay kettle is made in China and the unglazed yellow kettle is made in Taiwan. The yellow clay kettle might function the same way as other clay teapots in terms of giving more body to tea's flavors. Because it is unglazed, it cannot be rinsed with detergent. Both clay kettles retain heat better than glass or stainless steel kettle. However, we are not sure about its effect on water's quality. Lately there has been some buzz online about clay kettle or teapots' ability on water purification. So far that statement has not been verified scientifically. Still, we still recommend some kind of water filtration system if you have hard water in your area. Unglazed clay might absorb unwanted elements in the unfiltered water and remain there.

I guess this buisness about unglazed clay improving water might be bogus - can anyone honestly say that unglazed clay helps with water purification/taste?

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by Oni » Apr 23rd, '09, 09:54

Yes, I experienced it and hojo explained it scientifically, and he explained the effect of tetsubin scientifically, yes there is proof, yixing teapots are known to chage the taste of tea, and so do tokoname and bako yaki teapots.

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by Tead Off » Apr 23rd, '09, 13:55

Changing the water and purifying it are two different things. Tetsubin and other kettles do not purify water. They make the water taste better through the water's contact with the iron in the kettle. Ordinary clay kettles are not going to do this. Purple clay which has been fired in a reduction kiln, Banko, will do the same thing as a tetsubin.

The Purion people are hopelessly involved with only selling their product and will not tell you much about what there product is. But, we have figured out that they use a purple clay mixed with mineral ore and iron content is 5-10%.

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by MarshalN » Apr 23rd, '09, 16:00

jlheng wrote:
I guess this buisness about unglazed clay improving water might be bogus - can anyone honestly say that unglazed clay helps with water purification/taste?
I don't think anybody will be willing to say this particular clay kettle will improve your water, but in general, yes, if they're made with the right material and process, some kettles can improve your water.

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by Oni » Apr 24th, '09, 02:10

How about that olive pit charcoal, Chao Zhou stove that I saw on tea obsession blog, there I read that the local red clay is very porous, and it inhale the aroma of the olives and give way better results than conventional water heating, would that be better than a purion kettle, and I saw the same Chao Zhou stove at seven cups, when they wrote about dancong.

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by jlheng » Apr 24th, '09, 12:02

That stove looks great - but it's too expensive for my budget!

Guess what, I found someone that uses the same kettle. See here:
http://teadork.blogspot.com/2009/02/cla ... ettle.html

He tells me that it does improve the 'taste' of the water - as long as you're using good water. I sent him an email and he highly recommends the kettle.

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by Tead Off » Apr 24th, '09, 13:41

You can't deny someone's personal experience so maybe that kettle does fall into that category of kettles that do change the taste of water. How much is it?

I looked at some induction burners yesterday. They are super fast and many have controls whereby to keep the water at a certain temperature. Too bad the ceramic kettles can't be used with them. The idea of charcoal is not appealing to me.

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