Tea Master Zhu Ni

[chrl42]

not very often, not so extinct either. Yixing has been exporting glaze-polished pots, gold-rimmed zhuni pots, Factory-1 hongni shuipings to Malaysia, so in Malaysia they must be easier find. They are high-quality stuffs indeed, not cheap.

Most of Factory-1 pots has been exported to Taiwan, so in Taiwan they are easier to find. Taiwanese prefer Oolong, so they needed Zhuni pots too. In places like Fujian which is just across Taiwan and Guangdong, they have been drinking Oolongs pairing Zhunis since Qing dynasty, so it has too do with history as well I think.

Northern China like Beijing, traditionally prefered huge zini pots, carved, painted pots designed for the royal court so those pots are easier to find, but as mainland business is going well, Yixing teapots outside the mainland have been re-imported from Malaysia, Taiwan and Japan..that's how it's going I'm noticing recently.

[Tead Off]

Yes, and from Thailand, too. There are Chinese dealers swarming all over the antique markets looking for things.

[Serg]

Keep your life simple.

Totally agree. I just thought back then that it isn't so difficult to buy a teapot I don't need something ultra rare or made by famous master I just want one decent zhu ni teapot to brew gao shan properly. It's not a sin to want an Yixing, is it?

[bagua7]

No, it is not and you have the right to purchase and own one...unfortunately this isn't an easy market (especially online) since fraud and false claims are rampant.

I wish you the very best in your quest.

[In search of truth]

I have a cultural revolution 1966-78 for sale on Ebay at present.

Very nice zisha clay and well made and carries a Brigade mark under the lid.

There are good pots out there and good sellers.If ever you are unsure,engage them in conversation and judge their responses.

I'm learning all the time and one of the biggest myths seems to be regarding older pots having gained patina over the years.

I have a couple of 1850's teapots that are dry looking with very little sheen.

The difficulty in the West is the reading of the seal script and there are bargains to be had as most auction houses have very little knowledge in this area.

Yixing appears to be the least understood of all types of Chinese pottery and porcelain,basically because shapes remain the same and apocyrphal marks are placed upon many.

[bagua7]

The difficulty in the West is the reading of the seal script and there are bargains to be had as most auction houses have very little knowledge in this area.

Unfortunately forging seals is a very common practice, to the point that you can find a grandmasters' pots in night market stalls and such.

This makes the search for genuine Yixings really difficult.

For instance:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ture-Authentic- ... 4cfcd18b55

The claim is the pot being 200 years old. It's a mass-produced shui ping but IMO the seller went overboard with the starting price. Maybe I am wrong but I am no expert and I have never seen a 200-year-old shui ping in real life either.

[apolon]

That looks like a one of the pots recovered from a shipwreck. I don't think you can call that shape a Shui Ping though (maybe Li xing?).

[In search of truth]

I tend to agree with you,based upon the recessed base.

In addition,if you look at his last 'ancient' Yixing in his feedback you will see that it has a built in filter from circa 1970's.
Yet somebody paid $999 for it !!

This would make me doubt his items.

Here is my piece [moderator edit] I have another unmarked piece in the same pattern which I will keep.

My intention is to trade to improve my collection;like most people I have a limited budget and find that this is the best way to do this.

I purchased a couple of large Yixing Vases yesterday at a far away auction.It is a speculative purchase but they look very interesting and show quite a bit of shill.They top appears to be Zhu ni and with a nice patina,below which is a Dragon in a cloud in textured clay.The Dragon is gilded.

They are marked but I happened on the auction only 1 hour before the lot was up on the rostrum so did not have time to ask for images.

In the catalogue it was mistyped as Yiving instead of Yixing and I hope this kept overseas bidders in the dark.

Go to thesaleroom.com and go to live auctions and click on Gerards.
You can scroll back to the lot no.s and expand the images.

I purchased lots 547 (TEAPOT) and 553 B (VASES)

Also,if you go to Woolley and Wallis website,look at their November Yixing sale for some fantastic 17th-19th c pieces.

[apolon]

In addition,if you look at his last 'ancient' Yixing in his feedback you will see that it has a built in filter from circa 1970's.
Yet somebody paid $999 for it !!

The teapot doesn't have any type of filter, that's a removable metal filter.

[chrl42]

The cultural revolution pots (66~76) are not that pricey as you might think, but 200-yr-old pot can be. Being into Factory-1 pots, you could post an image of it if you wish, even if having a limitation looking from picture, truth is Factory-1 lovers share 90% of agreement when they examine the pot

Factory-1 pots, have noticebale change by decade
55~65 - called Free or Factory-Established period
66~76 - The CR period
late-70's~early-80's - Taiwan-exported small pots
to 97 - Taiwan pot expansion

every decades there is a change in clay, producing, firing, shape and so on,

[Tead Off]

I have a cultural revolution 1966-78 for sale on Ebay at present.

Very nice zisha clay and well made and carries a Brigade mark under the lid.

There are good pots out there and good sellers.If ever you are unsure,engage them in conversation and judge their responses.

I'm learning all the time and one of the biggest myths seems to be regarding older pots having gained patina over the years.

I have a couple of 1850's teapots that are dry looking with very little sheen.

The difficulty in the West is the reading of the seal script and there are bargains to be had as most auction houses have very little knowledge in this area.

Yixing appears to be the least understood of all types of Chinese pottery and porcelain,basically because shapes remain the same and apocyrphal marks are placed upon many.

Not to be rude, but the thread is about Zhuni, not Zisha. I know you like to talk about your interests but there are other threads here that you should be posting stuff like this on.

[In search of truth]

I believe my post was relevant in the way that the thread was developing.

If you are the moderator of this site then you have the right to delete my post.
However,as you are not,I suggest my post is as valid as yours and I suggest you channel your energy in a less agressive and more positive manner.

I accept in advance your apology and forgive you your abberation.

[In search of truth]

I am amazed at your temerity.

You berate Serg for his aspirations and seem to think that you in Bankock know better,simply because he is in Siberia.

I quote



“Your learning curve is all words. In this area, words will not guarantee that you discover a treasure that you can afford. In fact, if you buy that pot that costs $600 and it doesn't brew your favorite tea as you would like it to, what is the point? You have to decide what you really want and what you are really interested in. No tea vendor has ever made me want any teapot! If I say yixing ware is mostly myth, many will argue vociferously. I just laugh. If you were in Asia and had access to a decent selection of pots, you would buy a few pots at a decent price for the type of teas you drink and would be finished with all this speculation. Yixing is mostly a rich man's game. Keep your life simple.”

Why not consider someone elses point of view rather than attempting to impose your view on others ?

Believe me it is easier to make enemoes in this world than friends.

I suggest you take a step back.

Threads evolve,I was simply pointing out that there are decent sellers out there with reasonably priced genuine items.

I have sold to Malaysians,Chineseand Americans,(all discerning buyers) without a problem.

In regard to Ming Zhuni,it can be had in the U.K. at a price,but I doubt very much that they are being purchased to drink out of,rather more a status symbol for a teapot collector.

I am still learning,and willing to learn because I love the subject.

Let us not argue over something that we all enjoy,whether as a drinker or a collector.

[Chip]

... another topic with ... personality.

[Tead Off]

I am amazed at your temerity.

You berate Serg for his aspirations and seem to think that you in Bankock know better,simply because he is in Siberia.

I quote



“Your learning curve is all words. In this area, words will not guarantee that you discover a treasure that you can afford. In fact, if you buy that pot that costs $600 and it doesn't brew your favorite tea as you would like it to, what is the point? You have to decide what you really want and what you are really interested in. No tea vendor has ever made me want any teapot! If I say yixing ware is mostly myth, many will argue vociferously. I just laugh. If you were in Asia and had access to a decent selection of pots, you would buy a few pots at a decent price for the type of teas you drink and would be finished with all this speculation. Yixing is mostly a rich man's game. Keep your life simple.”

Why not consider someone elses point of view rather than attempting to impose your view on others ?

Believe me it is easier to make enemoes in this world than friends.

I suggest you take a step back.

Threads evolve,I was simply pointing out that there are decent sellers out there with reasonably priced genuine items.

I have sold to Malaysians,Chineseand Americans,(all discerning buyers) without a problem.

In regard to Ming Zhuni,it can be had in the U.K. at a price,but I doubt very much that they are being purchased to drink out of,rather more a status symbol for a teapot collector.

I am still learning,and willing to learn because I love the subject.

Let us not argue over something that we all enjoy,whether as a drinker or a collector.

Yes, the threads evolve into showing and talking about things you own and want to sell. I'm trying to be nice to you but my real nature is about to come out.

Not only did you misinterpret what I was saying to Serg but I have had several private emails from him discussing the subject. I don't think Serg was at all put off by my posts. Only you are. If you really knew anything about the subject you'd have a different input than threadjacking to talk about what you own.

Definition of TEMERITY

1
: unreasonable or foolhardy contempt of danger or opposition : rashness, recklessness
2
: a rash or reckless act