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by britt » Jun 29th, '08, 17:21

scruffmcgruff wrote:Britt, I like those Haiyu Tessai cups very much! Where did you find those?
Thanks.

I found them on the second Maiko Tea Shop site, "Authentically! Made in Japan."

Here's the link to the page of that site that lists these cups; look down at the bottom left:

http://www.maikoshop.com/kiyomizu/yunomi10.htm

Bear in mind that these are handmade and will vary somewhat from the picture. On mine, the black mark isn't as pronounced as the ones in the picture. The cups are also a little more blue than is shown.

Even if these are in stock at the kiln, if you purchase them you may still have to wait a week or so for them to ship. When I purchased my set, they were out of stock at the kiln so I had to wait until they fired the next batch. It took about a month.

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by henley » Jun 29th, '08, 18:53

britt wrote:Here are some pictures of various styles of Japanese clay tea cups that I've purchased over the last several months. They include both glazed and unglazed (yakishime) cups.
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This is my favorite. Like the texture & the colors. Very nice!

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by chamekke » Jun 29th, '08, 19:07

Wow, britt, I love ALL the teawares whose photos you posted. One of the things I like best is how the photos give a sense of the cups' tactile qualities. It's so easy to imagine what each one feels like in the hand, and what it would be like to drink from. Incredible variety too!
britt wrote:chamekke, I apologize for the one-way view and I offer the following compromise: :oops:

We will now blame both opposite sexes for their lack of understanding instead of just one. To rephrase, "How come the other half never understands that tea, teaware, Japanese books, cd's, and audio equipment are necessities of life and that kimonos are required to perform in the tea ceremony?"
No apologies necessary. Actually, I don't even think it's a gender issue... it's a mixed-marriage (mixed-relationship) issue, which invariably rears its head at some point when a TeaFanatic links up with a non-TeaFanatic. We must be patient with the deluded ones...

Actually, my significant other is a British-born individual who tends to equate tea with PG Tips (British-made black tea in bags), but over the past few months he has actually admitted a liking for Adagio's Citron Green, certain flavoured white teas (White Blueberry and White Peach), and even the occasional cup of sencha! And while he will never concede that I need all the teawares I've bought, he has started using some of them - the yunomi in particular.

Also, I have to admit - it's not so much arguing that I need a kimono. If I owned only one, there would be no disagreement. The problem is that you can easily find yourself buying multiple kimono. In warmer weather you need unlined kimono; in hot weather (traditionally July and August) it is de rigueur to wear kimono that are not only sheer but also unlined. Depending on the season, you wear certain colours and patterns; depending on the occasion, you wear designs of greater and lesser formality. It's ridiculously complicated, and of course all of this makes an excellent excuse to buy multiple garments!

Luckily, second-hand kimono are not so expensive. Thank goodness for eBay and certain vintage-kimono e-commerce sites (e.g. Ichiroya and Yamatoku).

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by britt » Jun 29th, '08, 19:22

henley wrote:
britt wrote:Here are some pictures of various styles of Japanese clay tea cups that I've purchased over the last several months. They include both glazed and unglazed (yakishime) cups.
Double Walled Cup

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This is my favorite. Like the texture & the colors. Very nice!
Thanks. I actually gave away the matching Somayaki bamboo-handled pot I was using with these cups because it wasn't very good for brewing high quality sencha. I liked the cups enough that I kept them. The pot went to a co-worker who really loves it; she said it looks much better than the pictures and I agree. She displays it but doesn't use it.

If anyone here ever wishes to purchase any Somayaki items, Artistic Nippon severely undercuts the prices charged by dealers in the United States. I almost bought the kyusu at Zensuke or Holy Mountain for $75; I got it from Artistic Nippon for $29.99. I had bought a total of two bamboo-handled pots for $100 each (I broke the first one); Artistic Nippon sells them for $39.99. Even if EMS is chosen for shipping, AN's prices are still well below what we pay here in the US.

In Japan a dealer can buy direct from the kiln. Here they must use an importer, who of course needs to make a profit. Also, be aware that many items purchased here, including Somayaki, that come in a wooden box don't come from the kiln that way; often the importer adds the box. They probably figure, correctly, that most US customers can't read Japanese very well.

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by britt » Jun 29th, '08, 20:47

chamekke wrote:Wow, britt, I love ALL the teawares whose photos you posted. One of the things I like best is how the photos give a sense of the cups' tactile qualities. It's so easy to imagine what each one feels like in the hand, and what it would be like to drink from. Incredible variety too!?"
Thanks chamekke. That ever so important "feeling" we've discussed before is something I didn't notice initially, but acquired as time went on and my interest in tea and the tea ceremony increased. As feeling or mood became more important, the type of teaware I preferred also changed, meaning I ended up replacing items I had already purchased.

I think by owing so much teaware, I may actually be violating tea's rules of simplicity. I felt better when I read that Sen Rikyu owned quite a few matcha chawan. I guess owning many simple things is okay!
chamekke wrote:... it's a mixed-marriage (mixed-relationship) issue, which invariably rears its head at some point when a TeaFanatic links up with a non-TeaFanatic. We must be patient with the deluded ones...!?"
Or convert them.
chamekke wrote:Actually, my significant other is a British-born individual who tends to equate tea with PG Tips (British-made black tea in bags), but over the past few months he has actually admitted a liking for Adagio's Citron Green, certain flavoured white teas (White Blueberry and White Peach), and even the occasional cup of sencha! And while he will never concede that I need all the teawares I've bought, he has started using some of them - the yunomi in particular.
Be patient; you're off to a good start. You might want to buy him his own yunomi that feels right to him and suits his own personal tastes. If he wants to use it for English teabags, then let him. Allow him to increase his interest in tea at his own pace, but you can lead him there. You may find that he becomes addicted like the rest of us. This may sound sneaky, but getting someone to regularly drink quality tea is good on many grounds; health, controlling emotions, sense of calmness, appreciating simplicity, and last but not least, sharing his wife's interests.
chamekke wrote:Also, I have to admit - it's not so much arguing that I need a kimono. If I owned only one, there would be no disagreement. The problem is that you can easily find yourself buying multiple kimono. In warmer weather you need unlined kimono; in hot weather (traditionally July and August) it is de rigueur to wear kimono that are not only sheer but also unlined. Depending on the season, you wear certain colours and patterns; depending on the occasion, you wear designs of greater and lesser formality. It's ridiculously complicated, and of course all of this makes an excellent excuse to buy multiple garments!

Luckily, second-hand kimono are not so expensive. Thank goodness for eBay and certain vintage-kimono e-commerce sites (e.g. Ichiroya and Yamatoku).
I can see why your husband might have a problem understanding or agreeing with this part. It's not unlike the western customs of different clothes for different seasons and fancy suits for special occasions. I think his problem may be that you need to do this twice now; four seasons and at least two formality levels for both everyday life and again for the attire required by practicing the tea ceremony throughout the year.

On the other hand, the tea ceremony is an intense interest of yours, it is of the utmost importance to you, you are learning a lot, and you are sharing that knowledge with others. This is really continuing education, and that IMO deserves some degree of support. You may need to compromise, at least for the moment.

Kimono is another aspect of the tea ceremony I hadn't thought much about. I don't mean the seasons or formality level, but the complicated process of how to wear one properly in the first place.

I had a girlfriend I met when she was a waitress in sushi restaraunts, including one owned by a famous Japanese shotokan master. This restaraunt drew in many Japanese customers who were visiting the US.

One Japanese waitress had learned she could get better tips if she relaxed the traditional kimono rules a bit. Although male Japanese customers didn't mind the lack of tradition, their wives did. Although my girlfriend was Chinese, the unhappy wives pointed to her as an example of how a kimono should be properly worn. My friend explained the rules to me, and although I don't remember what they were, they did seem a bit complicated.

It appears that any one of the many things involved in the Japanese tea ceremony could itself provide a lifelong challenge.

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by henley » Jun 29th, '08, 21:15

chamekke wrote: Also, I have to admit - it's not so much arguing that I need a kimono. If I owned only one, there would be no disagreement. The problem is that you can easily find yourself buying multiple kimono. In warmer weather you need unlined kimono; in hot weather (traditionally July and August) it is de rigueur to wear kimono that are not only sheer but also unlined. Depending on the season, you wear certain colours and patterns; depending on the occasion, you wear designs of greater and lesser formality. It's ridiculously complicated, and of course all of this makes an excellent excuse to buy multiple garments!
Sounds like a great excuse to go shopping! :lol: :wink: I try to remind hubby (& myself for the things he likes to buy) that the money could be spent in worse ways...

Never realized there was so much significance to the kimono. Very interesting.

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by towerofdabble » Jun 29th, '08, 21:53

I've been drinking from this cup lately...ordered from Gordon at DTH (photos are from his site and mine is slightly different...but similar).

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by chamekke » Jun 29th, '08, 22:14

britt wrote:One Japanese waitress had learned she could get better tips if she relaxed the traditional kimono rules a bit. Although male Japanese customers didn't mind the lack of tradition, their wives did. Although my girlfriend was Chinese, the unhappy wives pointed to her as an example of how a kimono should be properly worn. My friend explained the rules to me, and although I don't remember what they were, they did seem a bit complicated.
Heh, I wonder how she relaxed the rules. Maybe she pulled the front of the kimono down a bit to show more "cleavage" rather than keeping the collar high in front and low in the back (to show off the nape of the neck = super-sexy in the Japanese context). Or maybe it was just a matter of wearing the kimono and obi in a looser, more relaxed manner - as women actually did back in the Taisho era.

Here are four (!) videos that explain all the steps of putting on kimono, from the underwear stage (and there are at least 2 layers of "underwear") to the final donning of the obi and its related bits and bobs.

Although, it's more fun to see someone putting on kimono by herself, especially if she's good (and let me tell you, putting on an obi without assistance is like doing origami behind your back!). My tea teacher, who has countless years of experience and is super-good at it, can go from her Western togs to full Japanese dress in about three minutes.

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by Salsero » Jun 29th, '08, 23:16

towerofdabble wrote:I've been drinking from this cup lately...ordered from Gordon at DTH
Very nice! I didn't realize Gordon had just nice fancy teaware. I have ordered only the plainest cups and a fair pitcher from him. I guess I have to go back and re-evaluate. Thanks.

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by joelbct » Jun 29th, '08, 23:25

britt wrote:Here are some pictures of various styles of Japanese clay tea cups that I've purchased over the last several months. They include both glazed and unglazed (yakishime) cups.
Wow, that's the haul from just a couple months, huh? You may have a problem my friend ;) I am duly impressed. I particularly like the Bizen Yohen (Sangiri?).

Have you ordered from Inbeya before? They list some excellent Bizen Yunomi at fair prices, and I can attest to their quality.

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And here are my two Bizen Yunomi, ordered through Inbeya:
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I suppose Bizen is not particularly traditional for Yunomi due to heat-retention, but I love drinking good Sencha or Shincha from Bizen. I think it definitely enhances the flavor and tempers astringency.

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by cane » Jun 30th, '08, 10:49

Here is a korean tea set that I was using last night, with a nice Korean green tea (Teuk Seon), reminded me of a mild sencha. Very refreshing and so green in the cup. I will have to brew it up in a white cup sometime to get a nice picture of the liquor

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by chamekke » Jun 30th, '08, 11:46

cane wrote:Here is a korean tea set that I was using last night, with a nice Korean green tea (Teuk Seon), reminded me of a mild sencha. Very refreshing and so green in the cup. I will have to brew it up in a white cup sometime to get a nice picture of the liquor
Your Korean set is gorgeous. Yes, please share a photo of your Korean green tea with us when you can. Your description is very enticing!
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by Victoria » Jun 30th, '08, 11:57

Very nice! I have been really wanting a Korean set for sometime now.
Still on the lookout!

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by Geekgirl » Jun 30th, '08, 13:40

Toys!

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This was a bit of an impulse buy... (aren't they all?) but I LOVE it. The design is very tactile, and his little buggy eyes are raised dots on the surface.

(And omg, is my little tea area messy... there are tea foil packets and mail, a coffee mug full of pens and pencils, other canisters... I barely have room for my tea stuff! what is wrong with this picture???)

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by britt » Jun 30th, '08, 13:51

towerofdabble wrote:I've been drinking from this cup lately...ordered from Gordon at DTH (photos are from his site and mine is slightly different...but similar).
Very unusual with the handle, lid, and crackle glaze inside. Light blue inside a cup can actually enhance the green color of the tea. Great cup!

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