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with what do you heat a clay or purion kettle?

by mr. Less » Aug 15th, '09, 10:00

hi people,

i would love to buy a clay water kettle or a ceramic kettle (or off course a purion water kettle ) but i was wondering with what do you heat it?
can you only heat it the traditional way or can you use induction or other ways?
i would love to experience water cooked in a clay or purion kettle, but sometimes i dont think i want to wait 30 - 40 minutes
(dont get me wrong for some special days and special teas that would be great to do)
can somebody enlighten this for me?
thanxs

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Re: with what do you heat a clay or purion kettle?

by tingjunkie » Aug 15th, '09, 14:26

I'm sorry I can't answer your question Mr. L, but I wanted to bump this thread for you and get more info on Purion clay myself.

A search for "purion" only reveals 7 results! Where's the info hiding? :?

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Re: with what do you heat a clay or purion kettle?

by Maitre_Tea » Aug 15th, '09, 14:45

tingjunkie wrote:I'm sorry I can't answer your question Mr. L, but I wanted to bump this thread for you and get more info on Purion clay myself.

A search for "purion" only reveals 7 results! Where's the info hiding? :?
Don't own a purion kettle myself, but I do own a purion teapot myself. It does quite nicely with Taiwanese oolong, but I wish I knew what the clay composition/firing temperature was though.

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Re: with what do you heat a clay or purion kettle?

by orguz » Aug 15th, '09, 15:28

Safe to use induction stove/heater, only with certain models that start with 1 - 3.

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Re: with what do you heat a clay or purion kettle?

by Oni » Aug 15th, '09, 16:10

They sell stoves for it that work with alcool.

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Re: with what do you heat a clay or purion kettle?

by Herb_Master » Aug 15th, '09, 17:36

Oni wrote:They sell stoves for it that work with alcool.
Yes, all the ones I saw in Malaysia came with alcohol / wick burners.

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Re: with what do you heat a clay or purion kettle?

by mr. Less » Aug 15th, '09, 18:13

but isnt such a burner incredibly slow to heat water?

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by Herb_Master » Aug 15th, '09, 18:22

That was a worry of mine too, one of the reason's I did not buy one.
I think that it is more like a super hot tealight, bring the kettle towards the boil on another source then place it on the alcohol burner stand at your tea drinking station.

But that is purely guess work. I know Dragon Tea House sell a few similar ceramic kettle / alcohol stove sets. Mayybe you could email Gordon and ask him.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/King-Kiln-Far-Inf ... .m14.l1262

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Re: with what do you heat a clay or purion kettle?

by mr. Less » Aug 15th, '09, 18:31

but suppose i pre heat my water with a kamjove device and put the heated water in the ceramic/purion kettle, does the ceramics still alter the quality of my water?
How long do i have to leave the water in it.
the thing is i want to buy a purion or ceramic kettle to improve my water quality
will i notice the difference in water(i know this is very subjective and according to how sensitive my tasting is) or is this just an urban legend
thanxs everybody for the responses

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by Herb_Master » Aug 15th, '09, 18:34

I was thinking that the Ceramic Kettle might be heated more quickly on another type of heating element.

http://www.amazon.com/Joyce-Chen-Cerami ... r-mr-title
Safe for use on gas or electric burners

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Re: with what do you heat a clay or purion kettle?

by mr. Less » Aug 15th, '09, 18:41

thanxs herbmaster
do you perhaps own a ceramic kettle or purion kettle and do you notice difference in water quality?
i am just curious about what other people use to heat their water

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Re: with what do you heat a clay or purion kettle?

by Herb_Master » Aug 15th, '09, 18:47

mr. Less wrote:thanxs herbmaster
do you perhaps own a ceramic kettle or purion kettle and do you notice difference in water quality?
i am just curious about what other people use to heat their water
No, they are down my wish list at the moment.

I have a standard 20th Century Department Store Kettle which I uase to preheat my teaware, and sometimes for the rinse.

I have a Kamjove as my go to for tea.

I have recently acquired a Chao Zhou Stove and Clay Kettle for DanCong brewing.

I have a glass kettle in Malaysia at my girlfriends house.

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Re: with what do you heat a clay or purion kettle?

by orguz » Aug 15th, '09, 18:56

Having used a Lin's kettle for 2 months imo the water is smoother and sweeter. If you are a very patient person use the alcool method and have tea by X'mas or use a hot plate and wait 15 mins or use an induction plate to boil water under 5 mins. Pm me if you want more details spreek je nederlands/vlaams

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Re: with what do you heat a clay or purion kettle?

by Tead Off » Aug 15th, '09, 22:50

orguz wrote:Having used a Lin's kettle for 2 months imo the water is smoother and sweeter. If you are a very patient person use the alcool method and have tea by X'mas or use a hot plate and wait 15 mins or use an induction plate to boil water under 5 mins. Pm me if you want more details spreek je nederlands/vlaams
The induction heater sounds like the way to go. Thanks for posting your results.

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You gotta love that hype and con...

by Intuit » Aug 16th, '09, 00:03

The Mysterious Purion Kettle, what is it really?

Auralia website hype
http://www.aurlia.com.tw/index.php?opti ... 10&lang=us

"Purion is a mixture of natural mineral ore and pottery clay."

OK, so lets see what's in pottery clay:
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-pottery-clay.htm

First off, its a *mixture* of sand, mined mineral that is worked to form plastic raw clay and a heat-diffusing component called 'temper', which can be ground up shell, pottery or plant material. Nice website describing clay types and firing temps, which also comes in handy when you are trying to decipher potters lingo, spoken in the Artisans subforum threads.

http://pottery.about.com/od/understandc ... seclay.htm

"Pottery clay is the clay used to make the three categories of pottery: earthenware, stoneware, and porcelain. If pottery clay is baked by intense heat, a process known as firing that is undertaken in a special oven called a kiln, it becomes permanently solid. Firing is used both to harden all three types of pottery and to adhere glaze to it or otherwise permanently color it. "

Towards the bottom of Lin's blab on their Purion line, we see the words that tell us the pottery clay plus mysterious mineral additive is high-fired.

"...multiple high-temperature oxidation, returning firing and repetitive firing."

Meaning, they add filler, probably course sand to increase the surface porosity of an otherwise highly sintered clay (and therefore, increase the effective contact area). And, they add iron oxide minerals.

Taaaa Daaa! They are doing the same whoop-de-dooooo multiple reductive firing to get reduced iron surface complexes that our learned Friends in Japan use to make their highly esteemed and vastly overpriced cast iron kettles!

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