Brewing tea gallery teas

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Brewing tea gallery teas

by Bubba_tea » Sep 8th, '09, 13:57

Hey all -
I just got my order in last week from tea gallery, tea habitat, floating leaves... but I'm having some trouble getting good results from a couple of them:

The tea gallery teas - hundred year tree and cove mist - I'm using 5gm for a 3oz gaiwan as default and either 203' or about 212' water - but not getting a lot of flavor from the these. The shi lan is great as is the classic tgy, but I'm missing the point on these (also the zhi lan xiang from teahabitat). Any ideas?

FWIW - the suggestion on the sale at floating leaves was great - they have all been awesome so far. I was almost tea drunk on the da yu ling after 2-3 sips.... I just might not be a fan of subtle :lol:

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Re: Brewing tea gallery teas

by wyardley » Sep 8th, '09, 14:27

Bubba_tea wrote: The tea gallery teas - hundred year tree and cove mist - I'm using 5gm for a 3oz gaiwan as default and either 203' or about 212' water - but not getting a lot of flavor from the these. The shi lan is great as is the classic tgy, but I'm missing the point on these (also the zhi lan xiang from teahabitat). Any ideas?
I would use more leaf. Try 3/4 by volume as a starting point. I usually brew yancha with pretty hot water and a pretty heavy hand, but Michael tends to brew his with slightly cooler water (maybe crab-eyes?), and I have had better luck with the Tea Gallery ones at slightly lower temperatures. Try using water that's just off the boil, but pour slowly, from 6" above, pouring around the rim. If that's still not working, try hotter water.

You could also take a look at these two threads if you haven't already.

http://www.teachat.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6784
http://www.teachat.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10704

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Re: Brewing tea gallery teas

by moot » Sep 8th, '09, 14:57

I'm actually drinking (and utterly, riotously pleased with) The Tea Gallery's Water Golden Turtle right now. It seems to me about as perfectly, classically *wu yi* as I've had - bone dry, toasty, minerally/astringent cut, then this soft, blooming almost unsweet maltiness, quiet dancing copper flavors... So deliciously toasty... like somebody took the toastiness off of fresh popped popcorn and sort of enshrined it in its own picture frame.

It might be that your brewing's off (try wyardley's suggestions below, which is basically how I brewed my stuff - though I tend to use a little less tea than he does). But maybe it's your expectations - sometimes I find I can get trapped in one type of tea, or music, and become frustrated with something else because I can't cut my mind off from a certain expectation or need. Like going back and forth between, say, rap and jazz, and Beethoven. After listening to a lot of rap, Beethoven will seem so rhythmically *dull*, so metronomic, compared to the live-fire rhythmic play of really good rap, or jazz drumming. Or if I've been listening to a lot of Beethoven, rap will seem terribly melodically dull. But of course, melodic and harmonic density isn't the *point* of rap, and it's something in my expectations that needs to be tweaked to get *it*.

Anyway, you talked about "not getting the point", so maybe it's an expectation thing. Taiwan oolongs and wuyis are about as opposite on the aesthetic spectrum of oolongs as I can think of. The Taiwan high mountain aesthetic, to overgeneralize, seems to prize green sweetness, life, roundness, freshness, a kind of symphonic vegetal energy. The Wuyi aesthetic seem to prize dryness, minerality, astringency. Taiwan oolongs are probably the roundest and sweetest and fattest of the oolongs I love, Wuyis are the narrowest, thinnest, and most precise. In a way, wuyis are furthest from my natural aesthetic, but I've come to love them anyway, with a bit of time.

The beauty of a Taiwan oolong is like the beauty of Kate Winslet. The beauty of this Tea Gallery Water Golden Turtle wuyi is like the beauty of an older Katherine Hepburn.

There's a time for symphonies, and a time for violin solos. There's a time for fried chicken, and a time for halibut sashimi.

Sometimes I think I select between them for the mood I want... a perfect Taiwan oolong is a warming, happy, lifting, sweetening experience. This wuyi I'm drinking is making me more... precise, clear, uncluttered. Cleaner. Paying attention to such a narrow, precise set of flavors makes me like that too, for a little while.

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Re: Brewing tea gallery teas

by moot » Sep 8th, '09, 14:59

One more thing: if I think I'm "missing" something about a tea, some things I try:

1. Making sure my water supply is fresh and clean. For a subtle tea, something a bit off in the water will block stuff.

2. Upping the concentration of the tea.

3. (Surprisingly useful) Having the tea first thing in the morning, before I eat anything. Many whites, some greens, some baozhongs and some of Imen's quieter dancongs I most appreciate first thing in the morning, with a clean, undisturbed palate.

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Re: Brewing tea gallery teas

by moot » Sep 8th, '09, 15:58

Also: for wuyis, I really like the "breathing out through the nose" trick, after a swallow. I learned it with scotch, and it seems to work really well with wuyis, and other minerally teas. Take a good sip, really roll it around for 10 seconds, swallow, then breathe out through your nose. Makes some of the flavors flare, and it amps up the aftertaste. I have no idea why this works, but it works.

It works super-well with some of the iodinier and peatier scotches, and it works well with the cutting, astringent, minerally wuyis. Must be something going on...

I may be on crack, but I think one of the vendors' websites (maybe Tea Gallery's) also recommends this.

(I'm currently on brew 9 of the aforementioned tea gallery golden water turtle, and it's really astonishing how *long* the aftertaste is. It just keeps wandering and morphing...)

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Re: Brewing tea gallery teas

by Bubba_tea » Sep 8th, '09, 16:46

Great suggestions - I upped the herbage per WYardley's advice (approx 6.5 vs. 5 gm) and also hit the reboil button on the zoji pot - that did the trick! Now getting some good flavor there. I could actually smell the tea before drinking it this time. I need to find a good way to keep the gaiwan warm between brewings as I do a pot +/- an hour and the pot gets cold. If I can bear it (just get some tongs), I will dip it in the hot zoji bowl while at work to reheat.

I have some golden turtle from Aroma in Vancouver that is sitting in the cupboard as there wasn't anything there either - I'll re-explore with these tips in mind.

When you're spending $30 for an ounce of tea, it would be great to have some of this good advice on the vendor's site directly. It's nice to experiment with various methods, but a place to start is a cheaper method... :lol:
moot wrote:Also: for wuyis, I really like the "breathing out through the nose" trick...
I'll give that a try. I remember at dr. tea in Beijing they had all these little tricks for drinking different teas (like fake chewing etc) to help each of the teas, but I was a neophyte at the time and don't remember them (at) all. I'll have to give it a go with my scotch as well!

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Re: Brewing tea gallery teas

by Tead Off » Sep 8th, '09, 23:54

Bubba, with more expensive leaves like you are using, why not use your best clay pots? My good oolongs will never see the inside of a gaiwan. :shock:

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Re: Brewing tea gallery teas

by Bubba_tea » Sep 9th, '09, 00:04

Truthfully - I have found more 'pure' flavor from gaiwans... I save my zhu ni for sheng pu mostly. In the past, I found yi xing 'muted' the high notes of the oolongs I was brewing... but maybe I'm wrong?

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Re: Brewing tea gallery teas

by Tead Off » Sep 9th, '09, 00:55

Bubba_tea wrote:Truthfully - I have found more 'pure' flavor from gaiwans... I save my zhu ni for sheng pu mostly. In the past, I found yi xing 'muted' the high notes of the oolongs I was brewing... but maybe I'm wrong?
Yes, but high quality teas usually have a full range of complexities that may be gotten with good clay. For me, a tea without a bottom is only so good. I like a good bottom. :lol: Don't get caught staring at the top, Bubba. 8)

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Re: Brewing tea gallery teas

by Bubba_tea » Sep 9th, '09, 01:43

Uhh.... :lol: no comment!

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Re: Brewing tea gallery teas

by Bubba_tea » Sep 9th, '09, 09:11

Wow - glad I got some good direction here. Thank you!

I would have never tried that much tea (with tea that costs this much). That golden water turtle tea I got from Aroma in Vancouver I thought was a complete waste of money. I just had enough tea to do one gaiwan full, now I'm on day two. I should have thought - no flavor, more tea - but considering the price I was being chincy and then not enjoying the tea.

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Re: Brewing tea gallery teas

by tingjunkie » Sep 18th, '09, 00:29

Bubba_tea wrote: When you're spending $30 for an ounce of tea, it would be great to have some of this good advice on the vendor's site directly. It's nice to experiment with various methods, but a place to start is a cheaper method... :lol:
AMEN brotha! Always wondered about this myself. Hojo has great suggestions/instructions on his site, but not many others do. There may be a million ways to skin a cat, but it would be nice to be given some suggestions from the professional cat skinners first! :lol:

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Re: Brewing tea gallery teas

by Tead Off » Sep 18th, '09, 04:23

tingjunkie wrote:
Bubba_tea wrote: When you're spending $30 for an ounce of tea, it would be great to have some of this good advice on the vendor's site directly. It's nice to experiment with various methods, but a place to start is a cheaper method... :lol:
AMEN brotha! Always wondered about this myself. Hojo has great suggestions/instructions on his site, but not many others do. There may be a million ways to skin a cat, but it would be nice to be given some suggestions from the professional cat skinners first! :lol:
ting, I find the vendors vary on almost everything and often at odds with my own 'way'. Deep bow to Hojo, one of the few and maybe only vendor to tackle the job of explaining clay and its effect on tea.

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Re: Brewing tea gallery teas

by Bubba_tea » Sep 20th, '09, 02:18

tingjunkie wrote:AMEN brotha! Always wondered about this myself. Hojo has great suggestions/instructions on his site, but not many others do. There may be a million ways to skin a cat, but it would be nice to be given some suggestions from the professional cat skinners first! :lol:
Hey - that hojo site is hot! I'll look more into it later, but nice diggs there and happy brewing!

ps - don't you get tired of having to say, ymmv?

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