Loud Chawan vs. Soft Chawan

[bonjiri]

jbraymore posted an interesting topic about `loud` versus `soft` chawan...

please post comments and photographs so we can all learn !

cool !


cheers !

is this chawan loud or soft ?

[Tead Off]

Is there a gnarly category?

[MarshalN]

Or rather... impossible to use category.

[Littlepig2]

jbraymore posted an interesting topic about `loud` versus `soft` chawan...

please post comments and photographs so we can all learn !

cool !


cheers !

is this chawan loud or soft ?

about chawan and Japanese tea rituals I know very little but I won't let that stop me as I find a certain poetry in this subject. . .

My first impression is that this chawan is very heroic with its upright stand, its grittiness and with its well defined almost sharp edges. Yep--I am thinking loud.

[AdamMY]

Cory,

That one I keep on going back and forth about. Its unique shape and eye catching look suggests loud, but the plain glaze its not quite so loud.

I feel with that one it might depend on the situation, if it was set in a Japanese Tea room, along with all the other tea utensils it might be a bit loud, but if its in the right setting with similar looking pottery (flower vases, etc.) it might blend in and contribute to the over all effect.

So I think more classically loud, but in the right setting it could be "soft".

[Seeker]

Wow Cory,

Great idea for discussion - Thank you!

The chawan you share above strikes me in a complex way.

As others have mentioned or alluded to, it seems both 'loud'

and 'soft'. Loud in the sense of sharp, bold lines/edges/kuchi-zukuri, and

also in some of the stark contrasts (ie-mikomi w/rim). The softness, or

simplicity, for me, lies somewhere in the way it suggests a kinship with

mountain stone/rock.

As I imagine holding it, I also sense a 'loudness', imagining the edges

making themselves known to my hand and lips perhaps harshly.

Just some thoughts.

Cheers!

[Robert Fornell]

Interesting piece...... Kakurezaki?

Happy to say
the world is
more than black
and more than white,
but many subtle
shades of gray

R

[Robert Fornell]

How about this one?

Yamada Kazu - Kakuyu Oribe Chawan.jpg (16.49 KiB) Viewed 1087 times

Now a similar piece in context....

the face of change.jpg (34.85 KiB) Viewed 1087 times

This piece, if put on a pedestal or as a stand alone is very "loud" to me, but in the CONTEXT in which its found, the expressive nature of the glazing tying into the calligraphy, glaze coloration tying into the rather avant guarde flower arrangement as well as elements of her obi, as well as the contemporary kaki it seems right at home. Great toriawase by a veteran chajin.

Cheers,
R

[AdamMY]

Ronin,

I think we have stumbled upon the crux of the question. Is loud, the center of attention in any situation? Or is Loud so attention grabbing that it detracts from a standard(what ever that may be) situation. Because A talented designer could design a room around any sort of piece if you wanted to.

I guess I'm saying I could see a situation where even the most outrageous or Loud pieces fit in.

[bonjiri]

ronin samurai

aloha

is that wonderful chawan from goro suzuki ? love it !

hehe

awesome !

i am sensing the choices of the host and setting, including balance of the hanaire w/seasonal flowers and scroll chosen for otemae, the selection of the mizusashi, futaoki and kensui. the sum of all of the above including the chawan.

has anyone seen the set of chadogu, i believe it was toyotomi`s set. all gold. gold chawan, kensui, mizusashi, futaoki and hanaire. talk about over the top !

[Robert Fornell]

Ronin,

I think we have stumbled upon the crux of the question. Is loud, the center of attention in any situation? Or is Loud so attention grabbing that it detracts from a standard(what ever that may be) situation. Because A talented designer could design a room around any sort of piece if you wanted to.

Thank you AdamMY,

My points were that of context, of giving oneself permission, and of expanding ones vision in a creative sense. The assemblage of the elements pictured in a fairly classical chashitsu setting with the ability to make it work on at least a visual level, not having been there to experience the chakai, lead me to think this chajin knows what she's doing. I provided the image as a point of discussion, not to say that I found the particular chawan either "loud" (bad) or "soft" (good) .....my Rikyu based interpreted value judgements here in parentheses.

I posted a follow up to JB's post over in the "Show Us Your Pots and Cups XII which runs some length so I won't repeat here....

Many thanks AdamMY!

Cheers,
R

[Robert Fornell]

Hi Cory,

Hisashiburi desu!

Actually the chawan is by Yamada Kazu not Suzuki Goro.

Toyotomi Hideyoshi's chashitsu was all done in gold as well. Rikyu then advanced wabi-cha and the rest is history.

I'm playing provacetuer here in hopes that folks might question the status quo a bit as the chajin in the earlier photo has, even though I like wabi-cha and it's understated beauty as much as anyone.

How about this mizusashi? Loud....soft....or gray scale?

IMG_0341a.jpg (25.61 KiB) Viewed 1043 times

Cheers,
R

[edkrueger]

Or rather... impossible to use category.

Or a not a chawan category.

[Tead Off]

[quote="ronin ceramurai"]How about this one?

Yamada Kazu - Kakuyu Oribe Chawan.jpg

Makes me feel itchy. A great potter. Miro influence? Definitely loud but I wouldn't throw it out!

[Robert Fornell]

Makes me feel itchy. A great potter. Miro influence? Definitely loud but I wouldn't throw it out!

Hello TO,

I don't know about a Miro influence however Yamada-san did apprentice with Oribe bad boy Kato Tokuro.

Cheers,
R