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yellow teapots

by isaac » Oct 21st, '10, 00:07

I have gotten a bit confused between ben shan lu ni, ben shan duan ni, long shan lu ni and long shan duan ni.

The yellow come in many shades from dark yellow to yellow with a greenish tinge.

What makes one better than the other is a difficult question to answer :(



Facts uncovered so far:
(a) lu ni is more rare than duan ni
(b) those from ben shan are coveted
(c) both lu ni and duan ni when seasoned looked 'dirty' to some but 'gorgeous' to others

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Oct 21st, '10, 17:24
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Re: yellow teapots

by tortoise » Oct 21st, '10, 17:24

I am such a neophyte with these things. It really takes a ton of research and experience to uncover anything helpful. With the exception of a few vendors, you normally can't even see the name of the type of the clay you are getting and in the event that you can there seems to be only 3 or 4 of the many varieties out there. I find it frustrating. Are the varieties you listed all considered "zisha" or does yellow color exclude "zisha?"

I actually have a yellow pot that was given to me as a gift and it is sold as an "yixing" pot from yixing.com. I have my doubts that it is yixing or zisha.

Wish I could help you, but I'm probably more confused than you are.

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Re: yellow teapots

by isaac » Oct 21st, '10, 20:25

Thanks, it is the thought that counts and besides the tortoise always reaches there in the end.

I just started collecting and thus my knowledge is gleaned from the internet and some stuff that people are willing to share with me, so take it for what it is worth.

Zisha, translated to "purple clay". Depending on the context by the speaker, it can include all the types of clay in yixing that are used to make the teapots. Thus i have heard taiwanese vendor who told me that his pots were made from zisha imported from yixing. Others take it to mean zini, a specific clay within the family.

I have no experience with yixing.com and cannot comment on their pots. In general the amount of pots that are in existence exceeds the amount of clay available to make such pots. This led some to conclude that the clay was actually added with mud (perhaps) to increase the quantity or made with clay that are not found in yixing.

As a result, you can go to yixing, china and inadvertently buy pots that were made with clay from other provinces. Or you can buy an expensive pot that were made using clay mixed with mud or sand or other additives. One solution is to get from a reputable vendor.

There is one site that i went to admire the pots - deeho.com. (However this is not an endorsement to buy from deeho as firstly i have not bought any from them and secondly i can get some of the pots cheaper).

It is possible that the pots are made with good quality clay because these pots were reportedly sourced from the actual potters themselves. However you should check the authenticity of the pots in terms of the maker - some of the potters have apprentices, studios or family members who made the pots too. It is possible that the potter may pick the best pots made by those around him/her and put his seal on it.

Honesty on the part of the vendor as well as the potter is your best safeguard. For example over at deeho there is a potter by the name of Wu ChengJing. If you look at the detailed description, for some of the pots it stated that it was designed by her and handmade by artists of her workshop. Such candid disclosures are rare.

Now regarding your yixing teapot. You might like to do the following test on your teapot - fill it with hot water, put back the cover and carefully smell along the rim. It should smell clean. Next put the teapot on a pot of water, the cover alongside it. Fill with water with sufficient quantity to just cover the teapot. Boil the water. When it reached boiling point or close to boiling point, put the fire to the lowest flame possible for about an hour. (Note under no circumstances let the teapot or its cover move or float in the water as they may knock against each other or the sides of the container). Let it cool. The next day smell the interior of the dry pot. It should smell clean. The clean smell meant that it is likely the pot is made from genuine clay without toxic materials.

You can then proceed to use the teapot (with a fair sense of reasonableness that the teapot is usable), for the type of tea you choose.

So Tortoise, you know as much as me now :) However do doublecheck as there are plenty of people here and elsewhere who have far more knowledge and experience.

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Re: yellow teapots

by tortoise » Oct 21st, '10, 23:10

Thanks for the input, Isaac. I'm not so much worried about the pots being toxic for some reason. Maybe I should be. I'm more worried that whatever it is made of may actually rob the tea of flavor as opposed to support or enhance it. I will definitely try the boiling technique though. I boiled it when I got it over two years ago; don't recall any funky smells. I'll try it again though with that in mind. I brew wuyi in it mostly and it tastes ok.

I will be adding a true zisha to the collection post haste. :D

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Re: yellow teapots

by isaac » Oct 21st, '10, 23:28

Hi Tortoise, i think i will call myself rabbit.

If you have been using the teapot for about two years, there is no need to boil it. This is because the tea you have been placing in it was hot. Any smell would have already come out of the teapot.

Take your time to get for yourself a nice teapot. Be aware though that once you start, you may need to discipline yourself to stop. It is an addiction - buying teapots we don't need and ending up as a collector. I no longer rationalize why i need to stop. I rationalize why i need the next and the next and the next....

As for matching tea with teapots, I do not have knowledge about this. I am quite fixed in the type of tea i drink - i took so long finding the right vendor for my tieguanyin and having found him, block out all other vendors and teas from my mind. So i am hardly a role model to advise on tea.

Glad to know you have been drinking tea for the past two years. You are definitely more experienced than me :)

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