Holes in the pot

[AT333]

I was told that the holes filtering the tea on the inner body of the teapot to the spout can determine the period of the teapot. It is obvious in certain typology eg Ke Chui pot. There are 18 holes, 14 holes, single hole, lotus 7 holes etc etc. I am curious which period refer to which and for which typology. Of course the new pot has no much bearing on the period but let's concentrate on pots from early era and to CR pots. Thank you.

[chrl42]

I guess you are talking about Factory 1 teapots..none-F1 teapots it's useless to talk on the spouts anyway.

I am pretty beginner for Ge Zui shape (I like smaller sizes )..but from what I know, Ge Zui is usually 8-cup or 12-cup..and first appeared during the CR (?) maybe and 18-hole...later 14-hole (late-70~80 maybe?)..and is first multiple holes used for Shui Ping teapots, not for common CR ones.

Except for Ge Zui, multiple-holes for SP usually existed since late-70s..for export SPs...that's all I know

[AT333]

I guess you are talking about Factory 1 teapots..none-F1 teapots it's useless to talk on the spouts anyway.

I am pretty beginner for Ge Zui shape (I like smaller sizes )..but from what I know, Ge Zui is usually 8-cup or 12-cup..and first appeared during the CR (?) maybe and 18-hole...later 14-hole (late-70~80 maybe?)..and is first multiple holes used for Shui Ping teapots, not for common CR ones.

Except for Ge Zui, multiple-holes for SP usually existed since late-70s..for export SPs...that's all I know

Thank you very much chrl42. Is there any pots earlier than CR has more than one hole?

[chrl42]

I guess you are talking about Factory 1 teapots..none-F1 teapots it's useless to talk on the spouts anyway.

I am pretty beginner for Ge Zui shape (I like smaller sizes )..but from what I know, Ge Zui is usually 8-cup or 12-cup..and first appeared during the CR (?) maybe and 18-hole...later 14-hole (late-70~80 maybe?)..and is first multiple holes used for Shui Ping teapots, not for common CR ones.

Except for Ge Zui, multiple-holes for SP usually existed since late-70s..for export SPs...that's all I know

Thank you very much chrl42. Is there any pots earlier than CR has more than one hole?

I only talked for Factory-1 Shui Ping, multiple holes are seen time to time since Qing dynasty...

[AT333]

I only talked for Factory-1 Shui Ping, multiple holes are seen time to time since Qing dynasty...

Thanks chrl42. Any idea on the configuration for Qing pots?

[kyarazen]

Thank you very much chrl42. Is there any pots earlier than CR has more than one hole?

yes, in ROC there is a rare 5 hole pattern, in the 60s, the ge-zui was first to start with the 18 holes, 6 characters base seal Nan Meng Chen, Big Xi.

[AT333]

Thank you very much chrl42. Is there any pots earlier than CR has more than one hole?

yes, in ROC there is a rare 5 hole pattern, in the 60s, the ge-zui was first to start with the 18 holes, 6 characters base seal Nan Meng Chen, Big Xi.

Thank you kyarazen. nice to know there is 5 holes in Qing pots too. If you come across any photo or document on the 5 holes can you share it. I am curious on the arrangement of the hole. I saw Ke Chui 18 holes is based on 4,5,5,4. Thanks.

[chrl42]

Thank you very much chrl42. Is there any pots earlier than CR has more than one hole?

yes, in ROC there is a rare 5 hole pattern, in the 60s, the ge-zui was first to start with the 18 holes, 6 characters base seal Nan Meng Chen, Big Xi.

Thank you kyarazen. nice to know there is 5 holes in Qing pots too. If you come across any photo or document on the 5 holes can you share it. I am curious on the arrangement of the hole. I saw Ke Chui 18 holes is based on 4,5,5,4. Thanks.

4 holes, 6 holes many..these days were hand-making pots..there was no 'rule' to make pots unlike Factory-1 period..usually the clay and firing is better considering points as I hear of..

[AT333]

Thank you very much chrl42. Is there any pots earlier than CR has more than one hole?

yes, in ROC there is a rare 5 hole pattern, in the 60s, the ge-zui was first to start with the 18 holes, 6 characters base seal Nan Meng Chen, Big Xi.

Thank you kyarazen. nice to know there is 5 holes in Qing pots too. If you come across any photo or document on the 5 holes can you share it. I am curious on the arrangement of the hole. I saw Ke Chui 18 holes is based on 4,5,5,4. Thanks.

4 holes, 6 holes many..these days were hand-making pots..there was no 'rule' to make pots unlike Factory-1 period..usually the clay and firing is better considering points as I hear of..

Thanks chrl42, yes clay, workmanship, style, rarity etc are definitely a big consideration. For this tread, my intention is to discuss solely on the holes and the period. There will be more questions in this issue later. I haven't seen a comprehensive coverage on this issue and would be good for the rest to share and learn. I appreciate your note with thanks.

[kyarazen]

I haven't seen a comprehensive coverage on this issue and would be good for the rest to share and learn. I appreciate your note with thanks.

do you mean this?...



heh. compiled the above for a pending website article back then but was too lazy to write about it, and also that i'm still studying the subject.

[AT333]

I haven't seen a comprehensive coverage on this issue and would be good for the rest to share and learn. I appreciate your note with thanks.

do you mean this?...



heh. compiled the above for a pending website article back then but was too lazy to write about it, and also that i'm still studying the subject.

Wow thanks kyarazen. That is a great compilation. I am curious if those holes can be specifically relate to certain period and shapes of pots. I am sure they do the holes differently for different era and purpose. Thank you Sir!

[kyarazen]

Wow thanks kyarazen. That is a great compilation. I am curious if those holes can be specifically relate to certain period and shapes of pots. I am sure they do the holes differently for different era and purpose. Thank you Sir!

yes. there are characteristics to each of the eras and the type/shape of pots, and also workmanship, i.e whether they puncture inwards or outwards etc.

perhaps you would like to start guessing or at least attempt to describe each of the spout holes and what you think is unique about it/the type of pot it comes from?

[Tead Off]

and also workmanship, i.e whether they puncture inwards or outwards etc.

Aren't the great majority of holes punctured inwards? In fact, it is quite difficult to puncture the holes from the inside towards the outside. Not enough room to work the fingers with the puncture tool and do a nice job.

[AT333]

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[kyarazen]

perhaps you would like to start guessing or at least attempt to describe each of the spout holes and what you think is unique about it/the type of pot it comes from?

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