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by kyarazen » Feb 29th, '16, 12:54
more pictures.. no idea why it says : "It was not possible to determine the dimensions of the image." that my BBcode doesnt work... someone help?
ok i figured out why, one of the image links's broken, i.e. wasnt uploaded properly.
here it writes :
4 cup shuiping = 60cc
6 cup shuiping = 80cc
8 cup shuiping = 110cc
12 cup shuiping = 150cc
6 cup roubing as 70cc
6 cup xianpiao as 90cc
6 cup shengdeng as 70cc
6 cup pear shape 70cc
6 cup taijian as 80cc
12 cup pigeon beak as 130cc..
the math is queer...
but i suppose it could be because of the different shrinkage rate of the clays, that if you get the zisha/zini version of the same pot that came from similar moulds, it would always be bigger than the hongni one which shrinks more
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by kyarazen » Feb 29th, '16, 13:01
i forgot to add that the other 2/3 or maybe 3/4 of the booklet are all flower pots...

god knows how much freaking clay went into flower pots... definitely not a small amount!

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by jayinhk » Feb 29th, '16, 13:04
Thank you for sharing this, it will prove to be a valuable resource for many!
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by theredbaron » Feb 29th, '16, 13:14
One would wish that time travel would be possible
A least i was fortunate enough to have been able to tour factory 1 in '95, and was presented there with a Shui Ping pot
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by LouPepe » Feb 29th, '16, 20:30
Curiously, does the catalogue show any pots resembling the few on Sampleteas website which are purported 70's pots? I've been eyeing them, but the price is certainly up there. Some maybe would say outrageous.
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by kyarazen » Feb 29th, '16, 21:17
LouPepe wrote:Curiously, does the catalogue show any pots resembling the few on Sampleteas website which are purported 70's pots? I've been eyeing them, but the price is certainly up there. Some maybe would say outrageous.
hmm.........
so.. what would you think? :X
before '82 at least, everything was all made by Factory 1 starting from 60s onwards... state owned factory, state owned clay processing plant, miniature artisanal workshops? clay hoarding? probably zilch.. since probably no one wanted to risk their lives and families under the communist and cultural revolution rule.
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by BW85 » Feb 29th, '16, 21:35
kyarazen wrote:LouPepe wrote:Curiously, does the catalogue show any pots resembling the few on Sampleteas website which are purported 70's pots? I've been eyeing them, but the price is certainly up there. Some maybe would say outrageous.
hmm.........
so.. what would you think? :X
before '82 at least, everything was all made by Factory 1 starting from 60s onwards... state owned factory, state owned clay processing plant, miniature artisanal workshops? clay hoarding? probably zilch.. since probably no one wanted to risk their lives and families under the communist and cultural revolution rule.
During late 1970's to mid 1980's, Taiwanese ordered a lot of high quality hand-made teapots from Yixing Factory 1 and requested not to use the normal "Zhong Guo Yixing" stamp, so some master potter use the ancient hand crafted poem style and some master potter started to use this "Jingxi surname Zhi" stamp to differentiate from others.
"Jingxi surname Zhi" does not mean the potter's surname, it means the group of the potter belongs to. There are a several other groups with other surname.
Teapots made in 1970's to mid 1980's bearing this kind of stamp or poem crafting can simply means high quality hand-made teapot from Yixing Factory 1 artist -
quote from sampletea.
Kyarazen, have you heard about Taiwan commissioning a batch of pots with this type of hand carved seal/inscription from F1 in the 80's?
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by BW85 » Feb 29th, '16, 21:45
LouPepe wrote:Curiously, does the catalogue show any pots resembling the few on Sampleteas website which are purported 70's pots? I've been eyeing them, but the price is certainly up there. Some maybe would say outrageous.
I have one of these pots that was carried a year or so ago. I've been curious if it's actually factory 1 or not. I imagine if it is, 80's would be more accurate. and if it's not factory 1, I'm OK with that because the di cao Qing used is very tender, dense beautiful clay.. And I had the money to spare

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by kyarazen » Feb 29th, '16, 21:54
poem style came after '82 usually.. jingxi-X-zhi could be seen in green label era i.e. '78 to 82~ these are quite sought after as the jingxi-X-zhi clay quality is really good.
the material is important.. if it is "zhuni" then it could be quite unlikely because F1 did not make zhuni products during this eras.
BW85 wrote:
Kyarazen, have you heard about Taiwan commissioning a batch of pots with this type of hand carved seal/inscription from F1 in the 80's?
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by BW85 » Feb 29th, '16, 21:59
kyarazen wrote:poem style came after '82 usually.. jingxi-X-zhi could be seen in green label era i.e. '78 to 82~ these are quite sought after as the jingxi-X-zhi clay quality is really good.
the material is important.. if it is "zhuni" then it could be quite unlikely because F1 did not make zhuni products during this eras.
BW85 wrote:
Kyarazen, have you heard about Taiwan commissioning a batch of pots with this type of hand carved seal/inscription from F1 in the 80's?
The pots in reference are dicaoqing
http://www.sampletea.com/product/1970s- ... eapot-70ml
http://www.sampletea.com/product/1970s- ... eapot-90ml
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by bagua7 » Feb 29th, '16, 23:46
BW85 wrote:...and if it's not factory 1, I'm OK with that because the di cao Qing used is very tender, dense beautiful clay.. And I had the money to spare

I have one of those old di cao qing clay pots (from a different vendor though, listed as an early 80s clay), exactly as in the picture showing here (shuiping shape):
One pot I'll never sell. Nicely designed, top notch clay, pours medium fast, so it adds some imperfect touch to the overall feel of the pot.
Maybe if someone offers me 10 grand, I'll think about it.

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by chrl42 » Mar 1st, '16, 03:46
Rare copy.
There days there weren't discriminations on ownership of clay or moulds between masters vs apprentices (and the factory size was a lot smaller), these CR Qing Shui Ni shines really good with seasoning that only early-80s' HK-exported teapots could be compared along.
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by chrl42 » Mar 1st, '16, 04:01
kyarazen wrote:
here it writes :
4 cup shuiping = 60cc
6 cup shuiping = 80cc
8 cup shuiping = 110cc
12 cup shuiping = 150cc
6 cup roubing as 70cc
6 cup xianpiao as 90cc
6 cup shengdeng as 70cc
6 cup pear shape 70cc
6 cup taijian as 80cc
12 cup pigeon beak as 130cc..
the math is queer...
but i suppose it could be because of the different shrinkage rate of the clays, that if you get the zisha/zini version of the same pot that came from similar moulds, it would always be bigger than the hongni one which shrinks more
This size, from what I know, is more traditional one (think early-60s x-杯 series), perhaps CZ or HK peeps' size, nowadays' fixed size is Taiwaese peeps' size..which is a size bigger than Cantonese or Fukienese ones. (so as we call those 5-style SP as 4-cup is actually 6-cup

)
I think if using those late-Qing's mini liquor cups, it could satisfy well that size
