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Yixing clay?

by williammimi70 » Apr 8th, '17, 07:30

Small teapot
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Single hole
Is this yixing clay?is it collectible?how old is it please
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Re: Yixing clay?

by chrl42 » Apr 8th, '17, 09:26

I had a similar pot before,

I think that was Factory-2 or other factories..it had no porosity, no development on seasoning...overall quality wasn't comparable to Factory-1 teapots..an old pot though...

I don't know if it's similar or not..probably not :)

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Re: Yixing clay?

by William » Apr 8th, '17, 09:30

williammimi70 wrote: Is this yixing clay?is it collectible?how old is it please
Yes, this is definitely Yixing clay.

With regards to the teapot's age, in my opinion this is a F2/F5 teapot from around mid/late 80s.

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Re: Yixing clay?

by ricegeek » Apr 8th, '17, 13:00

My guess is yixing zisha, and maybe factory 1. pictures of inside the lid and inside the pot would give more clues. Nice pot though!

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Re: Yixing clay?

by williammimi70 » Apr 9th, '17, 03:00

ricegeek wrote: My guess is yixing zisha, and maybe factory 1. pictures of inside the lid and inside the pot would give more clues. Nice pot though!
Thank you very much.These are the pictures of the inside lid. The photos were taken in an early UK morning
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Re: Yixing clay?

by kuánglóng » Apr 9th, '17, 05:07

No offense meant but with all those fake pots around it really escapes me how anyone can come to a safe conclusion from a couple small jpgs without any further information.

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Re: Yixing clay?

by williammimi70 » Apr 9th, '17, 05:18

kuánglóng wrote: No offense meant but with all those fake pots around it really escapes me how anyone can come to a safe conclusion from a couple small jpgs without any further information.
thank you very much, as a novice at this ( I collect mainly antique porcelain hence I don't know what is the requirement to enable accurate assessment

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Re: Yixing clay?

by William » Apr 9th, '17, 05:47

I confirm what I wrote earlier, this is not a F1 teapot, so probably a F2/F5 from mid/late 80s (or later); please note this teapot could even be a private production from the 90s.

kuánglóng wrote: No offense meant but with all those fake pots around it really escapes me how anyone can come to a safe conclusion from a couple small jpgs without any further information.
Studying and handling as much as possible; possibly, comparing authentic teapots and modern forgeries side by side. Perseverance, zealousness, enthusiasm, passion, and last but not least, a discerning eye, are all equally required.

Embark on this path, strictly abiding by the aforementioned advices/rules, and you too will start appreciating and understanding the authenticity of a teapot just by a jpg photo.

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Re: Yixing clay?

by williammimi70 » Apr 9th, '17, 06:24

William wrote: I confirm what I wrote earlier, this is not a F1 teapot, so probably a F2/F5 from mid/late 80s (or later); please note this teapot could even be a private production from the 90s.

kuánglóng wrote: No offense meant but with all those fake pots around it really escapes me how anyone can come to a safe conclusion from a couple small jpgs without any further information.
Studying and handling as much as possible; possibly, comparing authentic teapots and modern forgeries side by side. Perseverance, zealousness, enthusiasm, passion, and last but not least, a discerning eye, are all equally required.

Embark on this path, strictly abiding by the aforementioned advices/rules, and you too will start appreciating and understanding the authenticity of a teapot just by a jpg photo.
Thank you very much. I guest collecting antique porcelain would be much easier
These are the things that I collect
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Re: Yixing clay?

by williammimi70 » Apr 9th, '17, 06:36

William wrote:
williammimi70 wrote: Is this yixing clay?is it collectible?how old is it please
Yes, this is definitely Yixing clay.

With regards to the teapot's age, in my opinion this is a F2/F5 teapot from around mid/late 80s.
Dear William!
I tried to reply to your message but could not do it . Sorry!!!!

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Re: Yixing clay?

by William » Apr 9th, '17, 08:29

Thanks for showing me your collection, it's a rather impressive view I must say, congratulations! :D

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Re: Yixing clay?

by williammimi70 » Apr 9th, '17, 10:02

William wrote: Thanks for showing me your collection, it's a rather impressive view I must say, congratulations! :D
Thank you 😊

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Re: Yixing clay?

by Henk » Apr 9th, '17, 10:27

Nice collection! Bit why would that be easier? Plenty of imitations and forgeries as well, I thought?

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Re: Yixing clay?

by williammimi70 » Apr 9th, '17, 11:04

Henk wrote: Nice collection! Bit why would that be easier? Plenty of imitations and forgeries as well, I thought?
To me it would be easier because there are very good books in English on authenticating antique Chinese porcelains that are easy to understand. when I started collecting Chinese porcelains I bought a book written by Mr Anthony Allen , it was easy to understand and easily affordable. I am looking for a book on Yixing teapots that is suitable for a complete novice like myself, any recommendation?

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Re: Yixing clay?

by ricegeek » Apr 10th, '17, 15:42

kuánglóng wrote: No offense meant but with all those fake pots around it really escapes me how anyone can come to a safe conclusion from a couple small jpgs without any further information.
There are some chinese books on factory pots from the early era, which offer guidelines on identifying factory pots through some visual cues. Kyarazen's recent thread on the translation of one such book is a good example. Of course, it's hard to be definitive with just pictures, especially for high quality fakes, but most fakes out there are not that high quality, and can be ruled out following well establish guidelines.

My responses are not meant to sound definitive or authoritative. Rather, I am trying to offer my own opinion and hope that others with experience would chime in as well to confirm or dispute, all in the hope of learning more.

Back to the topic of this particular pot, hard to tell from pictures if this is factory 1. But even if it's not authentic, I think it's it's a better replica than most. Of course, whether the clay is truly good or safe depends on use, meaning no artificial smells when hit with boiling water. And perhaps I should be more clear about this, since that's the most important part, not using harmful pots for brewing.

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