Want to know strategy to collect puer for drink

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Want to know strategy to collect puer for drink

by sumpao » Jul 22nd 19 5:58 am

Actually I kind of new in PUER

I try Dayi 7572 I like it

I also try 7542 which is quite nice too

So the question is if I want to buy puer for aging which might not break bang for buck

my limit per year is around 800 USD.

What did you guy think I should buy?

Thanks

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Re: Want to know strategy to collect puer for drink

by TEAMOOD » Jul 23rd 19 3:01 am

Hi sumpao,

I think we're currently share the same stage for Pu'er right now.I tried some samples offered by my friends who are Puer tea farmers during the last three days. Maybe we can exchange some idea on selection.
Joe

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Re: Want to know strategy to collect puer for drink

by Teasenz » Jul 24th 19 8:10 am

What a great choice to start with 7572 and 7542. These are populair and they're a good reference point for comparing with other pu erh teas.

800$ is a lot of money even per year. Are you planning to buy as an investment? Generally, as an investment it's better to stick to Dayi, Xiaguan and Haiwan factory cakes. These brands have better resale values. CNNP is better to avoid. Small brands are ok, if you buy and store for yourself, but reselling them is harder.

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Re: Want to know strategy to collect puer for drink

by sumpao » Jul 24th 19 9:47 am

Teasenz wrote: What a great choice to start with 7572 and 7542. These are populair and they're a good reference point for comparing with other pu erh teas.

800$ is a lot of money even per year. Are you planning to buy as an investment? Generally, as an investment it's better to stick to Dayi, Xiaguan and Haiwan factory cakes. These brands have better resale values. CNNP is better to avoid. Small brands are ok, if you buy and store for yourself, but reselling them is harder.
I now 31 year old. I drink tea everyday mostly I consume oolong
But as I try Puer I think I like it.
1 session is around 7g so multiply it with 365 it around 2.5 KG per year if only Puer that 8 cake per year.

I want to biuld an collection to age with me so plus consuming and collecting I think 800 usd/year should be my limit for puer per year.

for ripe and raw.

For Ripe I would go with 7572 I try 2010 version of Yunnan sourcing and it taste great.
I will buy every year 3 cake for new cake to aged in my house.

For Raw puer I super confuse It range from 20 USD per cake to 1000 USD per cake
any suggestion?

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Re: Want to know strategy to collect puer for drink

by TEAMOOD » Jul 24th 19 11:01 am

Teasenz wrote: What a great choice to start with 7572 and 7542. These are populair and they're a good reference point for comparing with other pu erh teas.

800$ is a lot of money even per year. Are you planning to buy as an investment? Generally, as an investment it's better to stick to Dayi, Xiaguan and Haiwan factory cakes. These brands have better resale values. CNNP is better to avoid. Small brands are ok, if you buy and store for yourself, but reselling them is harder.
Hi Teasenz,
Learned. Will write it down.

Thanks!
Joe

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Re: Want to know strategy to collect puer for drink

by sumpao » Jul 24th 19 2:44 pm

Teasenz wrote: What a great choice to start with 7572 and 7542. These are populair and they're a good reference point for comparing with other pu erh teas.

800$ is a lot of money even per year. Are you planning to buy as an investment? Generally, as an investment it's better to stick to Dayi, Xiaguan and Haiwan factory cakes. These brands have better resale values. CNNP is better to avoid. Small brands are ok, if you buy and store for yourself, but reselling them is harder.
That budget is to consume only.
Thank for advise.
What is CNNP
For Raw puer it seem range gap is pretty wide

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Re: Want to know strategy to collect puer for drink

by Shinzo28 » Jul 28th 19 6:56 pm

It honestly really depends on your taste. What kind of profiles are you looking for in your PuErh?
Also, is the 800 dollars for how many cakes you are thinking? Do you think you would like to spend 800 on at least a few tongs of different cakes, or of one cake? These are all things that are super important. But mainly it's what kind of PuErh you are most interested in and why this type suites you.

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Re: Want to know strategy to collect puer for drink

by apache » Jul 28th 19 11:14 pm

sumpao wrote: Actually I kind of new in PUER

I try Dayi 7572 I like it

I also try 7542 which is quite nice too

So the question is if I want to buy puer for aging which might not break bang for buck

my limit per year is around 800 USD.

What did you guy think I should buy?

Thanks
8 Cakes per year for US$ 800.
So your upper limit is US$ 100 per cake or US 0.30 per gram.
This is a lot of room to have some very decent things as long as you buy no older than 4 or 5 years pu or have some less sought after but very good quality per price tea which does exist.

Stay away from small artisan production till you know how to judge the potential for aging which is a rather difficult skill to learn. My experience tell me processing during production is very very important. You can have top grade material but it was processed incorrectly and after a few years your half decent but correctly processed tea would taste much better than that small production tea from an exotic mountain.

Stick with Dayi 7542 and you would not be that far off. I wish I had bought a tong of 7542 per year right from the beginning and spent less on small productions.

Last, a half decent cake, say costing US $ 30 vs a much sought-after cake costing $ 3000, doesn't mean that the expensive one would taste 100 x better. The cost vs quality graph is not a linear straight line.

Hope this help.

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Re: Want to know strategy to collect puer for drink

by sumpao » Jul 30th 19 2:43 am

apache wrote:
sumpao wrote: Actually I kind of new in PUER

I try Dayi 7572 I like it

I also try 7542 which is quite nice too

So the question is if I want to buy puer for aging which might not break bang for buck

my limit per year is around 800 USD.

What did you guy think I should buy?

Thanks
8 Cakes per year for US$ 800.
So your upper limit is US$ 100 per cake or US 0.30 per gram.
This is a lot of room to have some very decent things as long as you buy no older than 4 or 5 years pu or have some less sought after but very good quality per price tea which does exist.

Stay away from small artisan production till you know how to judge the potential for aging which is a rather difficult skill to learn. My experience tell me processing during production is very very important. You can have top grade material but it was processed incorrectly and after a few years your half decent but correctly processed tea would taste much better than that small production tea from an exotic mountain.

Stick with Dayi 7542 and you would not be that far off. I wish I had bought a tong of 7542 per year right from the beginning and spent less on small productions.

Last, a half decent cake, say costing US $ 30 vs a much sought-after cake costing $ 3000, doesn't mean that the expensive one would taste 100 x better. The cost vs quality graph is not a linear straight line.

Hope this help.
Thanks for your tip for ripe I would go with 7572 for 3 cake/ year
For raw I will think a tong of 7542 is not that expensive.
I will have some money to spare to explore more in may be mountain small sample that provide by many website thanks for tips

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Re: Want to know strategy to collect puer for drink

by sumpao » Jul 31st 19 4:07 am

sumpao wrote:
apache wrote:
sumpao wrote: Actually I kind of new in PUER

I try Dayi 7572 I like it

I also try 7542 which is quite nice too

So the question is if I want to buy puer for aging which might not break bang for buck

my limit per year is around 800 USD.

What did you guy think I should buy?

Thanks
8 Cakes per year for US$ 800.
So your upper limit is US$ 100 per cake or US 0.30 per gram.
This is a lot of room to have some very decent things as long as you buy no older than 4 or 5 years pu or have some less sought after but very good quality per price tea which does exist.

Stay away from small artisan production till you know how to judge the potential for aging which is a rather difficult skill to learn. My experience tell me processing during production is very very important. You can have top grade material but it was processed incorrectly and after a few years your half decent but correctly processed tea would taste much better than that small production tea from an exotic mountain.

Stick with Dayi 7542 and you would not be that far off. I wish I had bought a tong of 7542 per year right from the beginning and spent less on small productions.

Last, a half decent cake, say costing US $ 30 vs a much sought-after cake costing $ 3000, doesn't mean that the expensive one would taste 100 x better. The cost vs quality graph is not a linear straight line.

Hope this help.
Thanks for your tip for ripe I would go with 7572 for 3 cake/ year
For raw I will think a tong of 7542 is not that expensive.
I will have some money to spare to explore more in may be mountain small sample that provide by many website thanks for tips
Updated I now buy a tong of 2017 7542 price is quite good 33 USD/cake

I plan to buy a tong of 2019 7542 also

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Re: Want to know strategy to collect puer for drink

by apache » Jul 31st 19 7:43 pm

sumpao wrote: Updated I now buy a tong of 2017 7542 price is quite good 33 USD/cake

I plan to buy a tong of 2019 7542 also
What is your storage condition? e.g. average temperature and RH?

I store mine around 20 C with RH around 70% and the ageing process is less than half the rate of it would be in Hong Kong or southern China. If RH is less than 50% the ageing process might grind to a halt.

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Re: Want to know strategy to collect puer for drink

by sumpao » Aug 1st 19 3:49 am

apache wrote:
sumpao wrote: Updated I now buy a tong of 2017 7542 price is quite good 33 USD/cake

I plan to buy a tong of 2019 7542 also
What is your storage condition? e.g. average temperature and RH?

I store mine around 20 C with RH around 70% and the ageing process is less than half the rate of it would be in Hong Kong or southern China. If RH is less than 50% the ageing process might grind to a halt.
I live in Bangkok. Temp here is around 30-34 C all year round sometime in winter it will go down to 25 C.

Humidity in Bangkok is 50%-70% (raining season)

Yesterday I prepared my storage room which I think ok to store puer.
I cleaned the room due to it very dusty. and have some smell of not fresh air.

I will go back to my room today to check is the smell is gone after I cleaned it.

My first Tong should arrive this Friday so I will take a picture for you to see.



My question is firstly I plan to store Puer in my bed room but I not sure about the air condition
If I use air condition temp would be around 24-26 C in the night and 30-33 C in day time which I not sure it good for puer?

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Re: Want to know strategy to collect puer for drink

by sumpao » Aug 1st 19 3:49 am

apache wrote:
sumpao wrote: Updated I now buy a tong of 2017 7542 price is quite good 33 USD/cake

I plan to buy a tong of 2019 7542 also
What is your storage condition? e.g. average temperature and RH?

I store mine around 20 C with RH around 70% and the ageing process is less than half the rate of it would be in Hong Kong or southern China. If RH is less than 50% the ageing process might grind to a halt.
I live in Bangkok. Temp here is around 30-34 C all year round sometime in winter it will go down to 25 C.

Humidity in Bangkok is 50%-70% (raining season)

Yesterday I prepared my storage room which I think ok to store puer.
I cleaned the room due to it very dusty. and have some smell of not fresh air.

I will go back to my room today to check is the smell is gone after I cleaned it.

My first Tong should arrive this Friday so I will take a picture for you to see.



My question is firstly I plan to store Puer in my bed room but I not sure about the air condition
If I use air condition temp would be around 24-26 C in the night and 30-33 C in day time which I not sure it good for puer?

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Re: Want to know strategy to collect puer for drink

by apache » Aug 1st 19 10:12 pm

sumpao wrote:
apache wrote:
sumpao wrote: Updated I now buy a tong of 2017 7542 price is quite good 33 USD/cake

I plan to buy a tong of 2019 7542 also
What is your storage condition? e.g. average temperature and RH?

I store mine around 20 C with RH around 70% and the ageing process is less than half the rate of it would be in Hong Kong or southern China. If RH is less than 50% the ageing process might grind to a halt.
I live in Bangkok. Temp here is around 30-34 C all year round sometime in winter it will go down to 25 C.

Humidity in Bangkok is 50%-70% (raining season)

Yesterday I prepared my storage room which I think ok to store puer.
I cleaned the room due to it very dusty. and have some smell of not fresh air.

I will go back to my room today to check is the smell is gone after I cleaned it.

My first Tong should arrive this Friday so I will take a picture for you to see.



My question is firstly I plan to store Puer in my bed room but I not sure about the air condition
If I use air condition temp would be around 24-26 C in the night and 30-33 C in day time which I not sure it good for puer?
The climate in Bangkok should be ideal to store puerh. Make sure there is no odd smell including air-freshener, moth-ball etc. in the place you store them. I don't think it would be matter than much with or without air conditioning but one thing you need to be careful is make sure there is no condensation or the tea would become damp and mould would be a problem. When you see mould, it is often too late! Also insects could be a problem too in the tropic.

I would suggest to use cardboard boxes and fill them with tongs and cakes. You don't need the box to be sealed and it would act like a buffer and regulates the changes of temperature and HR and creates a micro-climate inside the box. One very important thing is never mixing raw with ripe but keep them separate in different boxes apart. Ideally, only raws with similar age are keep together in the same box e.g. 1 to 3 years old in one box and 4 to 6 years old in another etc. Check them and inspect them and airing them at least twice a year or every 3 to 4 months.

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Re: Want to know strategy to collect puer for drink

by Teobazbo » Aug 3rd 19 1:36 pm

Hello Sumpao I will be in Bkk the 7august for few days. Where you get your 7542? Is a trustable source?